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> Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. Parts of the US are literally on fire. * https:

> Parts of the world are literally on fire but the US is redirecting money to halt renewables and towards gas. Parts of the US are literally on fire. * https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#d:24hrs;@-100.0,40.0,4.0z https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/usfs/map/#d:24hrs;@-100... * https://wfca.com/fire-map https://wfca.com/fire-map * https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/maps https://www.nifc.gov/fire-information/maps

zelphirkalt 2mo ago
The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" (or rather knowingly ignored) until the issue appears at scales as small as the home village, which in terms of the US government means the front and back yard of the white house or similar. These people are living in parallel societies, where they are completely detached from the reality for many people living in the country. And that is not merely a problem in the US.
- dolmen 2mo ago
  > The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" [...] ... while an offshore wind farm was once in DT's sight in Scotland.
RobotToaster 2mo ago
Nobody will care until the white house burns down (again)
- smallerize 2mo ago
  That will not change their minds. They already demolished a bunch of the White House.
bluerooibos 2mo ago
These damn arsonists are really going for it this year, huh? The coordination between them is amazing - being able to pull this off in multiple European countries, the US and Canada at the same time.
bluGill 2mo ago
Nearly all of those are forests that are supposed to burn every year or two. Check with a forester knowledgeable in your specific area because there is no universal truth here. However the generalization that all forests in North America need to burn regularly for good health is true even though there are exceptions.
- forestrywat 2mo ago
  I am a small scale forester (hundreds to thousands of acres). Supposed to burn is ... complicated and not necessarily true. Many forests in the PNW have had indigenous Americans burn them regularly because it improves forest health. These fires were typically kept small and well maintained to avoid damage to the trees. White settlers put a stop to this practice, and natural fires were considerably less common than anthropogenic ones in some regions. So it might be correct to say that fires can be healthy for forests, but "supposed to" is more difficult to assert. I just finished limbing, brush clearing, and preparing burn piles from a section of my forest because removing fuel is good, but most forests in America are young planted forests. They have smaller trees, less diversity, higher than typical density, and small trees that can cause fires to climb to crowns (where they then become deleterious rather than helpful.) If we were to return to indigenous practices of regular burning, we would likely see healthier forests. But I'm not sure we'd see as much timber production from them. Since that's what most forests are held for... I don't see practices moving away from trying to maximize timber while minimizing cost any time soon.
  - bluGill 2mo ago
    Thanks for that complexity. I've posted brought the same thing and all the responses have been "no, fire is bad" from people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about. I'm standing by my claims. However understand that I am in no way contradicting anything you said.
  - cyberax 2mo ago
    Indigenous practice resulted in the deforestation of the American West so a lot of forests in Oregon and Washington are new growth.

zelphirkalt 2mo ago

The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" (or rather knowingly ignored) until the issue appears at scales as small as the home village, which in terms of the US government means the front and back yard of the white house or similar. These people are living in parallel societies, where they are completely detached from the reality for many people living in the country. And that is not merely a problem in the US.

dolmen 2mo ago
> The issue will be "out of sight, out of mind" [...] ... while an offshore wind farm was once in DT's sight in Scotland.

RobotToaster 2mo ago

Nobody will care until the white house burns down (again)

smallerize 2mo ago
That will not change their minds. They already demolished a bunch of the White House.

bluerooibos 2mo ago

These damn arsonists are really going for it this year, huh? The coordination between them is amazing - being able to pull this off in multiple European countries, the US and Canada at the same time.

bluGill 2mo ago

Nearly all of those are forests that are supposed to burn every year or two. Check with a forester knowledgeable in your specific area because there is no universal truth here. However the generalization that all forests in North America need to burn regularly for good health is true even though there are exceptions.

forestrywat 2mo ago
I am a small scale forester (hundreds to thousands of acres). Supposed to burn is ... complicated and not necessarily true. Many forests in the PNW have had indigenous Americans burn them regularly because it improves forest health. These fires were typically kept small and well maintained to avoid damage to the trees. White settlers put a stop to this practice, and natural fires were considerably less common than anthropogenic ones in some regions. So it might be correct to say that fires can be healthy for forests, but "supposed to" is more difficult to assert. I just finished limbing, brush clearing, and preparing burn piles from a section of my forest because removing fuel is good, but most forests in America are young planted forests. They have smaller trees, less diversity, higher than typical density, and small trees that can cause fires to climb to crowns (where they then become deleterious rather than helpful.) If we were to return to indigenous practices of regular burning, we would likely see healthier forests. But I'm not sure we'd see as much timber production from them. Since that's what most forests are held for... I don't see practices moving away from trying to maximize timber while minimizing cost any time soon.
- bluGill 2mo ago
  Thanks for that complexity. I've posted brought the same thing and all the responses have been "no, fire is bad" from people who obviously have no idea what they are talking about. I'm standing by my claims. However understand that I am in no way contradicting anything you said.
- cyberax 2mo ago
  Indigenous practice resulted in the deforestation of the American West so a lot of forests in Oregon and Washington are new growth.