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Afaik I have yet to encounter LLM fiction, but I have seen plenty of AI generated music and it truly disgusts me. Each to their own but to me a large part of m

Afaik I have yet to encounter LLM fiction, but I have seen plenty of AI generated music and it truly disgusts me. Each to their own but to me a large part of music was always the life experience of the person making it. I'm listening to their life, their love, their pain in music form. Without an interesting human behind it, art loses all magic to me. That's why it's beyond annoying that my own brother absolutely loves generated music. He just wants the general ambient groove of reggae or blues, he doesn't care one bit for the artists.

Maxion 2mo ago
I would not be surprised if you've listened to AI generated music or read AI generated text without identifying it. Same as with VFX in shows and movies, the good stuff people don't identify as VFX, but the shitty stuff stands out. It's going to be the same with LLM generated content.
- j4yav 2mo ago
  It should be easy then to link to some AI generated music that is actually good?
  - Gander5739 2mo ago
    I would be impressed if you could link to some human generated music that everyone will agree is good.
    - j4yav 2mo ago
      Sure, we can lower the bar to "non-shitty" per GP if that's the only way I can get a link?
    - delis-thumbs-7e 2mo ago
      I wonder if anyone anywere actually thinks Beethoven’s 9th is bad. But that’s not the point is it. I can link you plenty of music that was absolutely lambasted and despised when it first was performed and today is recognised as classics. Plenty of people hated while many loved it. Rites of Spring, Charlie Parker, Miles David and Coltrane where all moved people against or for, created energy, created something which changed the way we listen music today. It caused people to feel and react. I have no idea if most new pop playing at the gym is genetated with this or that machine learning aid and I don’t care. It is all meh. And so is AI-generated music and therefore we will forget it.
      - JohnFen 2mo ago
        > Plenty of people hated while many loved it. I think this is a hallmark of successful art. The point of art is emotional communication. If someone reacts very negatively to a piece of art, that still means an emotional communication happened. If it's an honest and resonant emotional communication, then some people will react negatively to it and others positively. Every artist I've ever known would prefer to get negative reactions to their art over not getting a reaction at all.
- specproc 2mo ago
  No, music and literature are not like VFX, unless I'm truly blind to the magic of After Effects. A good novel can have you laughing out loud or crying to yourself, they can introduce new ideas that can totally change your outlook on the world. I've read books I've continued to think about for months after I've finished them. Great music, whether classical or contemporary, particularly when experienced live, can be transcendental. Both can be wonderful ways of connecting with humanity. To read The Leopard is to inhabit the soul of a minor Sicilian noble, putting on Ride the Lightning is a viceral experience, like hitting a line of speed. Cinema can evoke these intense experiences, but VFX is but a minor component, and much of the best uses no CGI. Regardless, as a man who dabbles in AI in his own creative practice, I remain utterly unconvinced that AI is capable of eliciting the response we get from great music or literature. It may produce some filler around the edges, but that great line, the chorus that drives the heart to the sky with a fist raised in the air like an antenna to heaven, this will always be human. This is for the simple reason that art is fundamentally about human connection and empathy, the transmission of emotion and energy from one sentient being to another. No LLM could ever write Hallelujah, because no LLM has witnessed heartbreak, contemplated the divine, or practiced bondage. No diffusion model could paint Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, which incidentally took over a decade, as no machine has ever laughed in contempt of its enemy. Sure, we can say that there's a human behind each machine, but AI places a wall between the creator and their work. The momentum, inspiration, creative blocks and breakthroughs in the shower, these form the basis of great art. Re-reading the parent, I've digressed, and perhaps somewhat misinterpreted. I guess I just wanted to write what I've written. Very human. Yeah, "good" AI blends into the background? No, good art is never in the background. It grabs us, pours into us, and leaves us changed. God, spent too long on this and need to get some shit done. I'll go put on Ride the Lightning.
sevenzero 2mo ago
>Without an interesting human me art loses all magic to me. Thanks for mentioning this. I have been in so many arguments with tech savvy people who simply can't grasp this concept. Additionally to that, if you're taking shortcuts with AI rather than actually learning a skill (writing, painting, drawing, producing music, etc...) how can you even feel good about your "art"? It's not special, it's stolen effortless slop. It's like playing a video game and getting that "early access equipment" that just lets you steamroll through the game without challenge.
igleria 2mo ago
With AI music you can enjoy a thin red paste of every human emotion /sarcasm
soco 2mo ago
> the general ambient groove of reggae or blues This, like elevator or contact center waiting music, has very little to do with "music" itself. It's just something to signal the waiting time and ease a bit of anxiety. While I'm saddened that somebody lost their income with automated background generation, I don't find the end product interesting at all, so whatever. However. However, listening to my genres does definitely need the connection to a human. No, I won't "hate" AI because of it, I will just ignore or press "skip" (where I can). Freedom of choice, baby.
cung 2mo ago
I have been listening to a whole lot of AI music and it is often better than human generated. I foresee an immense unavoidable shift in the music industry due to this. It is already impossible to distinguish what is AI and and what is human generated music.
- j4yav 2mo ago
  Can you share a playlist or something so we can see?
- JohnFen 2mo ago
  > I foresee an immense unavoidable shift in the music industry due to this. If this happens then I'll take some solace in that at least we have a very large existing collection of older music guaranteed to be made by people, so I won't have to do without.
- INTPenis 2mo ago
  As much as I hate to say it, I agree. I also foresee a huge shift in the music industry. Because a lot of music lovers are not like me, they don't care about the artist behind the music, just the music itself. And there's nothing wrong with that. But it is a scary future when a huge part of music produced will come from a computer.

Maxion 2mo ago

I would not be surprised if you've listened to AI generated music or read AI generated text without identifying it. Same as with VFX in shows and movies, the good stuff people don't identify as VFX, but the shitty stuff stands out. It's going to be the same with LLM generated content.

j4yav 2mo ago
It should be easy then to link to some AI generated music that is actually good?
- Gander5739 2mo ago
  I would be impressed if you could link to some human generated music that everyone will agree is good.
  - j4yav 2mo ago
    Sure, we can lower the bar to "non-shitty" per GP if that's the only way I can get a link?
  - delis-thumbs-7e 2mo ago
    I wonder if anyone anywere actually thinks Beethoven’s 9th is bad. But that’s not the point is it. I can link you plenty of music that was absolutely lambasted and despised when it first was performed and today is recognised as classics. Plenty of people hated while many loved it. Rites of Spring, Charlie Parker, Miles David and Coltrane where all moved people against or for, created energy, created something which changed the way we listen music today. It caused people to feel and react. I have no idea if most new pop playing at the gym is genetated with this or that machine learning aid and I don’t care. It is all meh. And so is AI-generated music and therefore we will forget it.
    - JohnFen 2mo ago
      > Plenty of people hated while many loved it. I think this is a hallmark of successful art. The point of art is emotional communication. If someone reacts very negatively to a piece of art, that still means an emotional communication happened. If it's an honest and resonant emotional communication, then some people will react negatively to it and others positively. Every artist I've ever known would prefer to get negative reactions to their art over not getting a reaction at all.
specproc 2mo ago
No, music and literature are not like VFX, unless I'm truly blind to the magic of After Effects. A good novel can have you laughing out loud or crying to yourself, they can introduce new ideas that can totally change your outlook on the world. I've read books I've continued to think about for months after I've finished them. Great music, whether classical or contemporary, particularly when experienced live, can be transcendental. Both can be wonderful ways of connecting with humanity. To read The Leopard is to inhabit the soul of a minor Sicilian noble, putting on Ride the Lightning is a viceral experience, like hitting a line of speed. Cinema can evoke these intense experiences, but VFX is but a minor component, and much of the best uses no CGI. Regardless, as a man who dabbles in AI in his own creative practice, I remain utterly unconvinced that AI is capable of eliciting the response we get from great music or literature. It may produce some filler around the edges, but that great line, the chorus that drives the heart to the sky with a fist raised in the air like an antenna to heaven, this will always be human. This is for the simple reason that art is fundamentally about human connection and empathy, the transmission of emotion and energy from one sentient being to another. No LLM could ever write Hallelujah, because no LLM has witnessed heartbreak, contemplated the divine, or practiced bondage. No diffusion model could paint Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, which incidentally took over a decade, as no machine has ever laughed in contempt of its enemy. Sure, we can say that there's a human behind each machine, but AI places a wall between the creator and their work. The momentum, inspiration, creative blocks and breakthroughs in the shower, these form the basis of great art. Re-reading the parent, I've digressed, and perhaps somewhat misinterpreted. I guess I just wanted to write what I've written. Very human. Yeah, "good" AI blends into the background? No, good art is never in the background. It grabs us, pours into us, and leaves us changed. God, spent too long on this and need to get some shit done. I'll go put on Ride the Lightning.

sevenzero 2mo ago

>Without an interesting human me art loses all magic to me. Thanks for mentioning this. I have been in so many arguments with tech savvy people who simply can't grasp this concept. Additionally to that, if you're taking shortcuts with AI rather than actually learning a skill (writing, painting, drawing, producing music, etc...) how can you even feel good about your "art"? It's not special, it's stolen effortless slop. It's like playing a video game and getting that "early access equipment" that just lets you steamroll through the game without challenge.

igleria 2mo ago

With AI music you can enjoy a thin red paste of every human emotion /sarcasm

soco 2mo ago

> the general ambient groove of reggae or blues This, like elevator or contact center waiting music, has very little to do with "music" itself. It's just something to signal the waiting time and ease a bit of anxiety. While I'm saddened that somebody lost their income with automated background generation, I don't find the end product interesting at all, so whatever. However. However, listening to my genres does definitely need the connection to a human. No, I won't "hate" AI because of it, I will just ignore or press "skip" (where I can). Freedom of choice, baby.

cung 2mo ago

I have been listening to a whole lot of AI music and it is often better than human generated. I foresee an immense unavoidable shift in the music industry due to this. It is already impossible to distinguish what is AI and and what is human generated music.

j4yav 2mo ago
Can you share a playlist or something so we can see?
JohnFen 2mo ago
> I foresee an immense unavoidable shift in the music industry due to this. If this happens then I'll take some solace in that at least we have a very large existing collection of older music guaranteed to be made by people, so I won't have to do without.
INTPenis 2mo ago
As much as I hate to say it, I agree. I also foresee a huge shift in the music industry. Because a lot of music lovers are not like me, they don't care about the artist behind the music, just the music itself. And there's nothing wrong with that. But it is a scary future when a huge part of music produced will come from a computer.