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> made by an equally obscure manufacturer, YiQingTeng Electronics, in Shenzhen, China. Is this what is meant by "Shenzhen Speed"? Dump all safeguards and get

by femto 2mo ago

> made by an equally obscure manufacturer, YiQingTeng Electronics, in Shenzhen, China. Is this what is meant by "Shenzhen Speed"? Dump all safeguards and get any piece of crap out the door as soon as possible? This comment isn't directed specifically at Shenzhen, as other parts of the world do the same thing and call it "Move fast and break things." Dropping engineering standards may increase short term profits, but it erodes people's trust in the world around them when everything "sort of works". There's an argument that this low level continuous corrosion does more long-term damage than obvious safety flaws that are serious enough to prompt corrective action.

bluefirebrand 2mo ago
> There's an argument that this low level continuous corrosion does more long-term damage than obvious safety flaws that are serious enough to prompt corrective action. Unfortunately I just don't see much care being given to the long term well being of society right now. Not by many governments, not by many corporations.. it feels like everyone is in a "get rich by any means, fuck you I got mine" attitude. It's really sad
- ryandrake 2mo ago
  The Law Of The Land in most lands nowadays is "Take whatever you can by swindling, lying, or cheating. Nobody is stopping you."
  - PradeetPatel 2mo ago
    There's even a term for that in Hindi - Don't be a sucker (bhookha / bhole). Don't be the person that's naive, easily cheated, and left behind while others move ahead because you refuse to take the optimal course of action.
    - bluefirebrand 2mo ago
      Might as well not have any kind of society or rule of law at that point at all then. Zero trust societies, that's definitely the way towards a better life for all of us
small_scombrus 2mo ago
> Dump all safeguards and get any piece of crap out the door as soon as possible? Very few companies seem to get into trouble for knowingly releasing products that are either faulty, insecure, or actively dangerous
- szszrk 2mo ago
  Is that something that can be backed by data? If not, I have anecdotal counter info: saw a lot of work of a small team doing hardware testing/evaluation for a hardware reseller. Often using Chinese sources. Typical "our brand is good, but has to be slightly cheaper than competition". Some manufacturers are really good. But a lot of them send hardware so bad that it will electrocute you instantly. Which is wild in that profession - the whole point of sending samples to client is for them to disassemble it to asses quality. This is literally the only scenario, so any lie is instantly discovered. One company asked for immediate return of a prototype because a client ordered a batch, but they don't know how was it made. They had zero documentation and had to check what was inside.
BrtByte 2mo ago
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theshrike79 2mo ago
First to market usually wins. After they've got their gizmo in every user's hands, who will buy a perfectly crafted replacement with E2EE and all the bells and whistles? Shove it out as fast as possible, patch it live.

by femto 2mo ago

bluefirebrand 2mo ago

> There's an argument that this low level continuous corrosion does more long-term damage than obvious safety flaws that are serious enough to prompt corrective action. Unfortunately I just don't see much care being given to the long term well being of society right now. Not by many governments, not by many corporations.. it feels like everyone is in a "get rich by any means, fuck you I got mine" attitude. It's really sad

ryandrake 2mo ago
The Law Of The Land in most lands nowadays is "Take whatever you can by swindling, lying, or cheating. Nobody is stopping you."
- PradeetPatel 2mo ago
  There's even a term for that in Hindi - Don't be a sucker (bhookha / bhole). Don't be the person that's naive, easily cheated, and left behind while others move ahead because you refuse to take the optimal course of action.
  - bluefirebrand 2mo ago
    Might as well not have any kind of society or rule of law at that point at all then. Zero trust societies, that's definitely the way towards a better life for all of us

small_scombrus 2mo ago

> Dump all safeguards and get any piece of crap out the door as soon as possible? Very few companies seem to get into trouble for knowingly releasing products that are either faulty, insecure, or actively dangerous

szszrk 2mo ago
Is that something that can be backed by data? If not, I have anecdotal counter info: saw a lot of work of a small team doing hardware testing/evaluation for a hardware reseller. Often using Chinese sources. Typical "our brand is good, but has to be slightly cheaper than competition". Some manufacturers are really good. But a lot of them send hardware so bad that it will electrocute you instantly. Which is wild in that profession - the whole point of sending samples to client is for them to disassemble it to asses quality. This is literally the only scenario, so any lie is instantly discovered. One company asked for immediate return of a prototype because a client ordered a batch, but they don't know how was it made. They had zero documentation and had to check what was inside.

BrtByte 2mo ago

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theshrike79 2mo ago

First to market usually wins. After they've got their gizmo in every user's hands, who will buy a perfectly crafted replacement with E2EE and all the bells and whistles? Shove it out as fast as possible, patch it live.