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> We need a viable Linux slab with a radio. It'd be nice if it was fully free of proprietary device blobs but that's currently a fantasy totally out of touch wi

by jolmg 2mo ago

> We need a viable Linux slab with a radio. It'd be nice if it was fully free of proprietary device blobs but that's currently a fantasy totally out of touch with the state of available radios. I would genuinely carry my Linux ThinkPad with a cellular radio everywhere before it would make sense for me to try to pretend the PinePhone or Librem 5 meet even a baseline of utility value. The PinePhone (Pro) is there. They work as a laptop replacement. Their problem is more on working as a phone. There's even a repo out there to turn the touchscreen into a touchpad. With a bluetooth keyboard, it's basically a laptop. > Even their most prolific and downright stubborn true believer of a booster on HN admits he has to disable JS to load a number of web pages YouTube works on the PPP. If YouTube works, likely any JS works. Google Maps on Firefox also works.

handedness 2mo ago
Me: We need a phone. You: We're there. It's a bad phone. This thing works as a laptop replacement. You'll even be able to use it as a trackpad some day! This reads like satire. You guys are so out of touch with consumer expectations that you can't even string together a coherent argument in favor of these devices you so love. Even if it was a viable phone, are we really calling mid-tier 2016 performance, from a device which was discontinued due to being under-supported by its manufacturer and dev community, as being "there"? We are most certainly not "there". On the JS, a strident supporter is saying he has to disable JS. Convince him his experience isn't real, not me.
- jolmg 2mo ago
  > Me: We need a phone. You: >> I would genuinely carry my Linux ThinkPad with a cellular radio everywhere before [..] PinePhone or Librem 5 If you're thinking of M.2 modems, they generally can't do calls AFAIK. A ThinkPad isn't really going to serve you as a phone...
  - handedness 2mo ago
    I actually have one that does. But you're making my point for me: that's how bad they are as phones. A laptop with an iffy phone situation would at least be a highly useful laptop, if nothing else. A PinePhone or Librem 5 is just kind of meh-to-bad at almost everything.

by jolmg 2mo ago

handedness 2mo ago

Me: We need a phone. You: We're there. It's a bad phone. This thing works as a laptop replacement. You'll even be able to use it as a trackpad some day! This reads like satire. You guys are so out of touch with consumer expectations that you can't even string together a coherent argument in favor of these devices you so love. Even if it was a viable phone, are we really calling mid-tier 2016 performance, from a device which was discontinued due to being under-supported by its manufacturer and dev community, as being "there"? We are most certainly not "there". On the JS, a strident supporter is saying he has to disable JS. Convince him his experience isn't real, not me.

jolmg 2mo ago
> Me: We need a phone. You: >> I would genuinely carry my Linux ThinkPad with a cellular radio everywhere before [..] PinePhone or Librem 5 If you're thinking of M.2 modems, they generally can't do calls AFAIK. A ThinkPad isn't really going to serve you as a phone...
- handedness 2mo ago
  I actually have one that does. But you're making my point for me: that's how bad they are as phones. A laptop with an iffy phone situation would at least be a highly useful laptop, if nothing else. A PinePhone or Librem 5 is just kind of meh-to-bad at almost everything.