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Do you believe the same thing about a toaster that you don't have a root account for? Do you think people didn't own things before the idea of root was created
by charcircuit 2mo ago
Do you believe the same thing about a toaster that you don't have a root account for? Do you think people didn't own things before the idea of root was created in the 1970s?
Computers don't have to follow the same design choices as were done 50 years ago.
- zb3 2mo agoIf the toaster acts against my interest and I can't change its behaviour then yes, absolutely. It doesn't have to be named root, the point is that my device should act in my interest to the fullest extent permitted by the law. But those running illegal monopolies no longer fear the user and blantantly ignore their choices (yes vs "remind me later" is a good example), if I can't enforce my choice, I don't own that.
- charcircuit 2mo agoAndroid in fact has an entire Settings app allowing users to configure a lot about the device. There are a lot of choices exposed to users. Exposing this ability to the user didn't require root.
- zb3 2mo agoThe number of choices exposed to users is irrelevant, what's relevant is that choices which I'd want exposed are not exposed, and without root, there's no extension mechanism which'd let me load my code into for example the system server process. What you also seem to be ignoring is that the fact that for example there's no simple runtime internet permission toggle is NOT an accident, this functionality is deliberately not directly exposed despite creating no "security risks" and you know it very well.
- charcircuit 2mo agoAnd if you wanted a toaster with a setting to enable which side of the bread gets cooked you may have to look for a niche product instead of using main stream toasters similar to how you may need to use a niche operating system like GrapheneOS for your special handling of internet permissions. Even if a toaster doesn't have such a setting or an easy way to add, you still own it. When products are designed they have a specific design that they implement.
- zb3 2mo agoIf the manufacturer could add this setting via a software update, but I couldn't - by design - then I stand by my definition that I don't own it, because it's not my interest that gets prioritized there. However, it's pointless to focus on what's not available but could - it's the WHY that matters. A toaster without fancy functionality might be mine, but a toaster that only cooks a specific brand of bread, or that displays ads doesn't feel like mine. This is not just a lack of a feature - it's deliberately not there to prioritize the manufacturer over my experience..
- 1970-01-01 2mo agoToasters are heating elements with slots for bread. The 70s saw ten men walk on the moon and return to Earth to tell us all about it. Whatever point you were trying to make wasn't made.
- charcircuit 2mo agoAnd phones run apps. Neither require root to be able to accomplish their designed purpose.
- 1970-01-01 2mo agoAnd drugs are bad. Neither require root to work. Point not found.
- charcircuit 2mo agoExactly. Root is unrelated to the problem at hand.
- 1970-01-01 2mo agoPer the title, root is directly related to the problem at hand. "On non-rooted Android 17..."