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Imagine, if you will, wanting a narrow application to assist you personally in some side hobby, that is data driven but would take weeks or months to set up. No
by jatora 2mo ago
Imagine, if you will, wanting a narrow application to assist you personally in some side hobby, that is data driven but would take weeks or months to set up. Now imagine it's done in hours (and not even purely focused hours) and does everything you need it to do in an instantly verifiable and rewarding way. Imagine doing this on the regular for all of your various use cases. And then imagine not trying to sell or market that tool, as you dont care about that, you only care about solving problems and empowering yourself.
The vast majority of developers are like this, and as such, are silent about it. They aren't making production applications. They're making bespoke solutions and iterating upon them over time.
Somehow purists think there's something wrong with the process of that. I say there's something wrong with them, perhaps on the spectrum of OCD. With a tinge of arrogance or narcissism thinking their applications are all of the purest order and construction, testaments to architectural beauty and edge case handling. With a tinge of fear and cope as so much of their identity is caught up in being a smart coder rather than a smart engineer.
If you are a software developer and don't see the value in and heavily utilize agentic tools, you are a poor engineer. Not every coder has the mindset of an engineer, but a coder should be able to recognize and understand a powerful tool when they see one instead of letting their emotions and irrationality take the wheel
- _luci_ 2mo agoI think you missed the entire point of this discussion, but you also have a very gross view of the world! > Somehow purists think there's something wrong with the process of that. I say there's something wrong with them, perhaps on the spectrum of OCD. Are you really saying it is a sign of serious mental illness because programmers want to enjoy their craft? You do realize our entire industry exists because of the passion of programmers years prior, right? I genuinely think you should be ashamed of what you wrote here.
- jatora 2mo agoI think you misunderstand. The entire industry exists because of the passion of engineers that program, not just programmers. And i specifically called out 'purists' for a reason, and yes I do believe OCD and perfectionism is a component. It would help if you read my comment critically rather than purely adversarily.
- NoDodgeQuestion 2mo agoNothing says engineer mindset like calling people "something wrong with them, perhaps on the spectrum of OCD. With a tinge of arrogance or narcissism" and "emotions and irrationality"
- jatora 2mo agoNothing says not an engineer like a lack of attention to detail in a message you are reading and fixating on what hurts your feelings when I was clearly referring to a pretty small subset of people. Ouch
- xakpc 2mo agoI draw a clear line between using agentic tools at work (I basically put my team on Lode-coding) and just tinkering with things. I do plenty of tinkering, and AI isn't really that great at it. When exploring something like Windows widgets (my latest hobby), AI helps, but official docs, sample repos, and debug-driven experimentation help way more. After all the fun tinkering part, when I have working solution, I could build new widget in a second with AI if I ever need to produce them en masse