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>the American way of life our child’s will inherit is going to mean something very different than what it meant for us. I'm fairly certain the American way of

>the American way of life our child’s will inherit is going to mean something very different than what it meant for us. I'm fairly certain the American way of life is exactly what happened here, that citizens of a locality exercise the rights over their land to stop random tech bros from ruling over them with their AI and China mania. I recommend John Quincy Adams 4th of July 1821

godwinson__4-8 2mo ago
Really? You think the American way of life today is comparable to 1821? You think the standard of life you enjoy today is because of the triumph of local parochialism? The United States has always been ruled by elites [1]. The revolution was in large part kicked off because the Proclamation of 1763 rendered the westward land investments of the wealthy worthless [2]. Why would reading 1821 July 4th propaganda be instructive? How about you open up a basic economics textbook and then work your way back to the standard of life you've come to expect and get back to us. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_dynasty 2. https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/proclamation-line-of-1763 https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-e...
- Barrin92 2mo ago
  >You think the standard of life you enjoy today is because of the triumph of local parochialism? My standard of life involves democracy and self-determination. Americans are 'pathetic' about that because it turns out at the end of the day liberty is a bit more durable of an idea than buying yet another pile of junk. If you think you can just throw fortune cookie economic slogans at people to convince them they want to live in Mark Zuckerbergs or Elon's Borg cube you're in for a few rough decades, on both sides of the political spectrum that is.
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    - GolfPopper 2mo ago
      >Is he forcing people to login to Instagram or Facebook? Yes. The "no one is putting a gun to users' heads" argument is irrelevant when it comes a trillion-dollar company invested in behavioral modeling deliberately driving engagement. "Social media apps are 'deliberately' addictive to users" (2018) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44640959 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44640959 "Addicted by Design: The Hidden Psychology Behind Social Media’s Hold on Us" (2025) https://information-warfare.com/addicted-by-design-the-hidden-psychology-behind-social-medias-hold-on-us-07c59de522b6 https://information-warfare.com/addicted-by-design-the-hidde...
      - godwinson__4-8 2mo ago
        What an interesting instinct for civics you have. You get to strip hundreds of millions of people of individual agency on the basis of your stumbling through a handful of headlines, all adhering to the recent trend of reducing human conduct into some neat pathology. What does this portend for your politics? How to manage this vast polity of addicts? What regime of involuntary commitment will you come up with to force virtue into those that have slipped into this addictive vice? Maybe while you're at it you can repeal the repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment. After all, surely this is what John Quincy Adams was after as he expounded upon the nature of American freedom in such flowery terms. The power to moralize over your fellow man, too feeble to resist the likes of fermentation, Facebook or the fruit.
    - Barrin92 2mo ago
      >He's so evil but the vast majority of Americans can't give up his products? Is he forcing people to login to Instagram or Facebook? People are perfectly fine with him making products, what they aren't fine with is he (and his peers) starting to think they're kings and trying to overrule the citizens of a state he doesn't live in. If it comes down to a chatbot and the latter they'll chose the latter. The datacenter opposition, of which there are by the way hundreds at this point across the country generally attract 70/30 if not higher majorities. I'm also not sure what I'm not supposed to support in those paragraphs because, as to your point about inflation, that is currently the consequence of America's ongoing military action in the world, as unpopular as the datacenters, and as the founders were fond to point out the reason for ever more higher levels of taxation, increased state size and lower prosperity. As true today as it was back then.

godwinson__4-8 2mo ago

Really? You think the American way of life today is comparable to 1821? You think the standard of life you enjoy today is because of the triumph of local parochialism? The United States has always been ruled by elites [1]. The revolution was in large part kicked off because the Proclamation of 1763 rendered the westward land investments of the wealthy worthless [2]. Why would reading 1821 July 4th propaganda be instructive? How about you open up a basic economics textbook and then work your way back to the standard of life you've come to expect and get back to us. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_dynasty 2. https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/proclamation-line-of-1763 https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-e...

Barrin92 2mo ago
>You think the standard of life you enjoy today is because of the triumph of local parochialism? My standard of life involves democracy and self-determination. Americans are 'pathetic' about that because it turns out at the end of the day liberty is a bit more durable of an idea than buying yet another pile of junk. If you think you can just throw fortune cookie economic slogans at people to convince them they want to live in Mark Zuckerbergs or Elon's Borg cube you're in for a few rough decades, on both sides of the political spectrum that is.
- godwinson__4-8 2mo ago
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  - GolfPopper 2mo ago
    >Is he forcing people to login to Instagram or Facebook? Yes. The "no one is putting a gun to users' heads" argument is irrelevant when it comes a trillion-dollar company invested in behavioral modeling deliberately driving engagement. "Social media apps are 'deliberately' addictive to users" (2018) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44640959 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44640959 "Addicted by Design: The Hidden Psychology Behind Social Media’s Hold on Us" (2025) https://information-warfare.com/addicted-by-design-the-hidden-psychology-behind-social-medias-hold-on-us-07c59de522b6 https://information-warfare.com/addicted-by-design-the-hidde...
    - godwinson__4-8 2mo ago
      What an interesting instinct for civics you have. You get to strip hundreds of millions of people of individual agency on the basis of your stumbling through a handful of headlines, all adhering to the recent trend of reducing human conduct into some neat pathology. What does this portend for your politics? How to manage this vast polity of addicts? What regime of involuntary commitment will you come up with to force virtue into those that have slipped into this addictive vice? Maybe while you're at it you can repeal the repeal of the Eighteenth Amendment. After all, surely this is what John Quincy Adams was after as he expounded upon the nature of American freedom in such flowery terms. The power to moralize over your fellow man, too feeble to resist the likes of fermentation, Facebook or the fruit.
  - Barrin92 2mo ago
    >He's so evil but the vast majority of Americans can't give up his products? Is he forcing people to login to Instagram or Facebook? People are perfectly fine with him making products, what they aren't fine with is he (and his peers) starting to think they're kings and trying to overrule the citizens of a state he doesn't live in. If it comes down to a chatbot and the latter they'll chose the latter. The datacenter opposition, of which there are by the way hundreds at this point across the country generally attract 70/30 if not higher majorities. I'm also not sure what I'm not supposed to support in those paragraphs because, as to your point about inflation, that is currently the consequence of America's ongoing military action in the world, as unpopular as the datacenters, and as the founders were fond to point out the reason for ever more higher levels of taxation, increased state size and lower prosperity. As true today as it was back then.