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36 million CSAM media removed in 2025? Why aren't millions of people in jail? Wtf?
by picofarad 2mo ago
36 million CSAM media removed in 2025? Why aren't millions of people in jail? Wtf?
- ceejayoz 2mo agoVPNs, hacked accounts, no jurisdiction, etc., I'd presume.
- catlikesshrimp 2mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 2mo agoNo, it's the "local law enforcement struggles to handle largely anonymous international crimes" note. I'm not arguing anything; I'm just describing the reality.
- john_strinlai 2mo agoit can take awhile for things to work their way from NCMEC (national center for missing & exploited children) to the appropriate local agency, then have that agency do their investigation, get a warrant (if they can), etc. and that is assuming that there is even a cooperative jurisdiction for NCMEC to send the initial report to. but, plenty of people do end up in prison, especially if its facebook/dropbox/gmail/etc... they just dont make the headlines (especially nationally) unless its especially heinous.
- zimpenfish 2mo agoI think there's also the "roll up a whole network at once" approach they prefer to take for things like this - hence nothing will happen for months/years whilst investigations happen in secret and then there'll be a day where you get 40 coordinated raids across 10 countries which lead to tens of people being arrested. Then of course there's another period of months/years where they have to work on the new stuff they've got from that raid and also preparing for trials, etc.
- taurath 2mo agoThat's a really common reaction to people first hearing about the delta between how society talks about the subject vs what they actually do about it. Its a bit like the fiction of the social safety net or strong institutions. The truth is impunity is the rule, victims especially of CSA and CSAM, or revenge porn, or of Mark or Musk's companies generating naked images of their body have basically no power, and its an exception when someone who is an abuser AND has any amount of social standing is put away.
- 7952 2mo agoI think AI should the point where companies take some responsibility for the content produced with their tools. When the entire purpose of a machine is a form of thinking there should be some responsibility for what it thinks. It is nothing like a general purpose tool that the user just invokes.
- an0malous 2mo agoBecause then half the world leaders would be in jail and the other half would lose their excuse for building mass surveillance systems
- ls612 2mo agoBecause the overwhelming majority of these reports are for teens sexting each other.
- croes 2mo agoBots, good luck finding the people responsible for them. Also how much of the child exploitation material was created by the children themselves? Teenagers who send each other nude photos are creating child exploitation material but you hardly want to put them jail for that.
- giantrobot 2mo ago> Teenagers who send each other nude photos are creating child exploitation material but you hardly want to put them jail for that. Well rational thinking people wouldn't. A great many using CSAM as a wedge to de-anonymize the Internet or institute regressive "profanity" laws are often neither.
- croes 2mo agoIt’s hard to discuss that topic properly because many people see pedophile rings everywhere. They forget most child abuse happens in the family.
- _trampeltier 2mo agoIn most western countrys, is often more than 50% from CSAM from underaged teenagers, like selfies etc. And then are cases like some overmotivated parents post nude baby pictures. I guess such pictures also get flaged. But even if its just 50%, 18 million, your point still standes. Why are not more people in jail.
- esafak 2mo agoThe US is already among the highest incarceration rate countries in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_incarceration_rate_with_other_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in...
- _trampeltier 2mo agoYes but, the US is also kind of special. There are absolute no rules for people like Elon and Donald. The can break all laws, all day long in front of everybody and nothing does happen. They just get richer and richer. The small guy goes in jail for something like just walk over the street on the wrong place.
- TheOtherHobbes 2mo agoBecause the point of power and wealth is to avoid accountability for harm. That is literally what "freedom" means in the US. It's not the pursuit of happiness, it's the pursuit of immorality without consequences. If this isn't obvious - how many people mentioned in the Epstein files have been arrested?
- rationalist 2mo agoI don't think parents should overshare pictures of their kids, but FYI, nudity does not automatically mean porn or abuse, even of children (which is legal in the U.S. as long as it is not sexual or focuses on genitals).
- xkcd1963 2mo ago[dead]
- bothers 2mo agoDoes their definition of CSAM exclude material that's not unlawful in the US? People can be (let's say) tactical about its inclusion from case to case. But I can't say if it's the case here, nor how much it explains the 36 million not explained by other better replies.
- chrisjj 2mo agoFacebook's policy conspicuously lacks any definition of CSAM.
- tcfhgj 2mo agomedia without abuse is labelled csam
- chrisjj 2mo agoSeems they've mistaken child pornography (as per the US legal definition) as CSAM.
- commandlinefan 2mo agoWell, 36 million images doesn't necessary imply 36 million people (in fact, it could possibly just imply 36...)
- chrisjj 2mo ago> 36 million CSAM media removed in 2025? No, not at all. "removing over 36 million pieces of child sexual exploitation content last year" Not CSAM.
- carljungslabtek 2mo agoDoesn’t the M stand for Material? What are you saying the difference is? Their quote just sounds like another phrasing
- chrisjj 2mo ago> Doesn’t the M stand for Material? Yes. So? > What are you saying the difference is? Child sexual exploitation content is broader.