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It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will

It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will spoof user agents of other OSes. And there's Android.

pjmlp 2mo ago
Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms. I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.
- jhbadger 2mo ago
  Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    No it does not. It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore. Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.
    - anthk 2mo ago
      Not with Fdroid's release.
- vkazanov 2mo ago
  Oh come on. :-) Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux. Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    Yeah, exactly because of that, lets not do victory laps for a kernel. GNU/Linux, the Linux desktop, has zero relevance on Android. No one, not a single person, buying Android tablets and phones at places like MediaMarkt, cares about GNU/Linux Desktop. They care about what apps via PlayStore, Samsung, Huawei and Xiomi stores, they can use, just like all normies.
- soperj 2mo ago
  People using Linux in 1992 would say something similar to people using any of the current flavours of Linux.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    No they wouldn't, given that the only reason I got into Linux was the lackluster POSIX support on Windows NT.

pjmlp 2mo ago

Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms. I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.

jhbadger 2mo ago
Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  No it does not. It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore. Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.
  - anthk 2mo ago
    Not with Fdroid's release.
vkazanov 2mo ago
Oh come on. :-) Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux. Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  Yeah, exactly because of that, lets not do victory laps for a kernel. GNU/Linux, the Linux desktop, has zero relevance on Android. No one, not a single person, buying Android tablets and phones at places like MediaMarkt, cares about GNU/Linux Desktop. They care about what apps via PlayStore, Samsung, Huawei and Xiomi stores, they can use, just like all normies.
soperj 2mo ago
People using Linux in 1992 would say something similar to people using any of the current flavours of Linux.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  No they wouldn't, given that the only reason I got into Linux was the lackluster POSIX support on Windows NT.