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Hurd will have its day once Linux makes it on the desktop :-)

by lynx97 2mo ago

veqq 2mo ago
Linux hit 10% desktop usage recently
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  Not really, that was a fluke, still below 10%, although getting closer with 7.53%. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
  - vkazanov 2mo ago
    Both numbers are big, no? Especially given the complete dominance of linux in many other settings.
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      Yeah, if we ignore Windows 70%, and Mac's 20% of desktop share.
    - 800xl 2mo ago
      I think it is pretty impressive if you consider ChromeOS, with all of Google's resources behind it, is at 1.47%.
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pjmlp 2mo ago
Linux has made it to the desktop, packaged inside VMs served by Apple, Microsoft and Google.
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- NoImmatureAdHom 2mo ago
  It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will spoof user agents of other OSes. And there's Android.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms. I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.
    - jhbadger 2mo ago
      Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.
      - pjmlp 2mo ago
        No it does not. It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore. Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.
        anthk 2mo ago
        Not with Fdroid's release.
    - vkazanov 2mo ago
      Oh come on. :-) Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux. Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.
adrian_b 2mo ago
While I upvoted this, as being true for the general population, for me Linux has made it on the desktop (and laptop) much more than 2 decades ago, around 2003, when the remaining problems that had forced me to use dual-booting with Windows had been solved (i.e. when it became possible in Linux to play movies, read DVDs and use TV tuners). When that happened, I wiped out Windows from my computers. If you have a pro to help you, already for a long time Linux has been fine on the desktop for anyone. My parents, over 80 years old, have used Linux on their PCs for many years, and they did not even know what "Linux" is. That was possible because I installed and configured for them the operating system and all the applications they needed for reading and writing documents, Internet browsing, e-mail, music listening and movie watching etc. Windows is easy only because it comes preinstalled. I have installed Windows at work on many kinds of computers and during installation I have encountered much more problems impossible to solve for a non-expert than when installing Linux.
- ColdStream 2mo ago
  Pretty much. I have been using Linux since 1998 but it became my only system back in about 2009 I think. It just isn't that geeky blued together unix-y thing any more. So long as your hardware is supported, thats it. Yes, the games support was rough but that is almost a non issue nowadays. Thanks to Proton and Steamdeck support, I don't even check compatibility any more on games.
- helterskelter 2mo ago
  I've managed to run Linux just about exclusively since probably just before I was a teen in the early 2000's. I think I bought Red Hat 8 or 9 or something like that at CompUSA on a whim and proceeded to call customer support to get help doing basic tasks on the desktop which they very kindly helped me with. Man I was feeling like a seriously 1337 h4x0r.
- acomjean 2mo ago
  I didn’t have a pro to help me. But I used Linux a lot on the cloud/cluster. I didn’t want to futz. So I bought a computer with Linux preinstalled. Then I got one for work. Then a desktop from a different vendor. There is an extra cost associated with it (I’m paying more for the same hardware), but for me totally worth it to have a functioning Linux install on delivery.
sampo 2mo ago
Eric S. Raymond opines that now that Microsoft makes its profits mainly from Azure, some product owner in Microsoft will be allowed to enshittify Windows for collection short-term profit, thus paving way for Linux on the desktop. https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896 https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896
- IsTom 2mo ago
  Hasn't this been happening for a while now?
- ColdStream 2mo ago
  Ah so X/Twitter is where ESR is nowadays. Kind of not surprised.
mike_ivanov 2mo ago
As a sign in the window of a tiny shop in my quiet suburb says "Laptop and phone repairs - Windows, Linux and MacOS". If that doesn't count, I don't know what else could.

Hurd will have its day once Linux makes it on the desktop :-)

by lynx97 2mo ago

Hurd will have its day once Linux makes it on the desktop :-)

veqq 2mo ago

Linux hit 10% desktop usage recently

pjmlp 2mo ago
Not really, that was a fluke, still below 10%, although getting closer with 7.53%. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide
- vkazanov 2mo ago
  Both numbers are big, no? Especially given the complete dominance of linux in many other settings.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    Yeah, if we ignore Windows 70%, and Mac's 20% of desktop share.
  - 800xl 2mo ago
    I think it is pretty impressive if you consider ChromeOS, with all of Google's resources behind it, is at 1.47%.
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pjmlp 2mo ago

Linux has made it to the desktop, packaged inside VMs served by Apple, Microsoft and Google.

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NoImmatureAdHom 2mo ago
It just...has made it. Plenty of power users just use it as their primary OS. I think official figures under-estimate it because many people daily-driving will spoof user agents of other OSes. And there's Android.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  Ah, Android, with a userspace based on Java, Kotlin, C and C++ standard libraries, Android native APIs, without anything related to GNU/Linux, unless it is a rooted device, or one gets to package a full Linux userspace as an APK, which isn't fully compatible due to security enforcement mechanisms. I would look into those statistics regarding desktop world wide adoption, distribution per OS.
  - jhbadger 2mo ago
    Anyone who wants it can have Termux which gives you a full Linux experience under Android with GNU tools if you want it, though.
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      No it does not. It gives a Linux experience within the security sandbox from Android, which is why there are limitations when using it on regular devices, via PlayStore. Also it requires working around the NDK limitations on available POSIX APIs.
      - anthk 2mo ago
        Not with Fdroid's release.
  - vkazanov 2mo ago
    Oh come on. :-) Linux is not userspace. Linux is a kernel, and android is a parallel fork of the kernel. So android is a version of linux but is not GNU/Linux. Android/Linux, if you will. We dont have to be shy this.

adrian_b 2mo ago

While I upvoted this, as being true for the general population, for me Linux has made it on the desktop (and laptop) much more than 2 decades ago, around 2003, when the remaining problems that had forced me to use dual-booting with Windows had been solved (i.e. when it became possible in Linux to play movies, read DVDs and use TV tuners). When that happened, I wiped out Windows from my computers. If you have a pro to help you, already for a long time Linux has been fine on the desktop for anyone. My parents, over 80 years old, have used Linux on their PCs for many years, and they did not even know what "Linux" is. That was possible because I installed and configured for them the operating system and all the applications they needed for reading and writing documents, Internet browsing, e-mail, music listening and movie watching etc. Windows is easy only because it comes preinstalled. I have installed Windows at work on many kinds of computers and during installation I have encountered much more problems impossible to solve for a non-expert than when installing Linux.

ColdStream 2mo ago
Pretty much. I have been using Linux since 1998 but it became my only system back in about 2009 I think. It just isn't that geeky blued together unix-y thing any more. So long as your hardware is supported, thats it. Yes, the games support was rough but that is almost a non issue nowadays. Thanks to Proton and Steamdeck support, I don't even check compatibility any more on games.
helterskelter 2mo ago
I've managed to run Linux just about exclusively since probably just before I was a teen in the early 2000's. I think I bought Red Hat 8 or 9 or something like that at CompUSA on a whim and proceeded to call customer support to get help doing basic tasks on the desktop which they very kindly helped me with. Man I was feeling like a seriously 1337 h4x0r.
acomjean 2mo ago
I didn’t have a pro to help me. But I used Linux a lot on the cloud/cluster. I didn’t want to futz. So I bought a computer with Linux preinstalled. Then I got one for work. Then a desktop from a different vendor. There is an extra cost associated with it (I’m paying more for the same hardware), but for me totally worth it to have a functioning Linux install on delivery.

sampo 2mo ago

Eric S. Raymond opines that now that Microsoft makes its profits mainly from Azure, some product owner in Microsoft will be allowed to enshittify Windows for collection short-term profit, thus paving way for Linux on the desktop. https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896 https://x.com/esrtweet/status/2084605702203424896

IsTom 2mo ago
Hasn't this been happening for a while now?
ColdStream 2mo ago
Ah so X/Twitter is where ESR is nowadays. Kind of not surprised.

mike_ivanov 2mo ago

As a sign in the window of a tiny shop in my quiet suburb says "Laptop and phone repairs - Windows, Linux and MacOS". If that doesn't count, I don't know what else could.