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So is it just that these are people who haven’t personally experienced well-intentioned technology turning into a living nightmare? Watching the optimism and th

So is it just that these are people who haven’t personally experienced well-intentioned technology turning into a living nightmare? Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0 was a formative experience for me. I’m 38. Is this just naivete? What is this?

dudefeliciano 2mo ago
well she is only 23 so naivete would make sense, although it looks like she held some AI safety roles so...
- symfoniq 2mo ago
  In the same way that “Anthropic” apparently means misanthropic, we can probably add “AI safety” to the list of newspeak.
codeduck 2mo ago
It's called being insulated from the immediate consequences of their actions and hubris.
baron3dl 2mo ago
Inevitablism, a fundamentalist belief system that resolves every moral hazard with an appeal to the inevitable. "we can't let someone else do this first"
- soco 2mo ago
  "I will kill you now since you're dying anyway so just hand me all your money"
- goatlover 2mo ago
  Like Edward Teller wanting to develop hydrogen bombs while Oppenheimer was trying to prevent an arms race from starting.
Aurornis 2mo ago
> Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0 What collapse of web 2.0? Technically the website we're on is web 2.0 because we're interacting as users. I don't think it's naiveté on their part to want to build new things. I think you're just jaded and hyperfocusing on the negatives.
- dag100 2mo ago
  With some technologies, the negatives are so severe it is difficult to see how they outweigh the positives. Mind-control technology is quite frankly just asking to be abused. It's the ultimate relinquishment of power - you reveal your entire hand to someone else AND let them do what they want with it. I honestly don't understand how some people are so optimistic that they think this technology won't be misused in ways that massively overshadow the good that could be done with them.
kleiba2 2mo ago
To me, this reads as an attempt to raise easy investment money.
mosura 2mo ago
I think this is actually marginally less evil than Meta Tribe. The whole neuro space is dangerous and while people go on about “AI safety” the world will trend towards this madness. And this will provoke “well we need to regulate AI then”. No, you need to regulate poking around in people’s brains without asking them before that becomes normal.
- pstuart 2mo ago
  TIL -- dear god that's terrifying. I get that there's likely a lot of valuable and legitimate work that could come out of it, but I wouldn't trust Zuck as far as I could throw him out a window.
wuschel 2mo ago
"Die Gedanken sind frei..." - can someone guess them? A truly dystopian question. It is been 10 years ago when I looked through some research in that area. Back then it was the problem to get enough good signal. Has the situation changed radically here for non-invasive electrodes or portable detectors? I understand that the approach would be to turn weak signal, context, and LLM based signal processing into useful human computer interaction. For everything else, I have the feeling we are still in speculative territory.
rufasterisco 2mo ago
I understand where you are coming from. Yet. Neuralink exists since 10 years, is in clinical trial, has been implanted on a living human being in 2 years ago. The lack of adults in the room to set rules around moral hazard is hardly her generation's fault.
AdamH12113 2mo ago
According to her Wikipedia page, she's ~23 and went to Harvard, so A) her life experience is limited, B) most of the experience she does have involves being on a path to elitehood, and C) she probably sees a chance at a life-changing amount of money here. People like this are the input side of the "oops we built the Torment Nexus" pipeline.

dudefeliciano 2mo ago

well she is only 23 so naivete would make sense, although it looks like she held some AI safety roles so...

symfoniq 2mo ago
In the same way that “Anthropic” apparently means misanthropic, we can probably add “AI safety” to the list of newspeak.

codeduck 2mo ago

It's called being insulated from the immediate consequences of their actions and hubris.

baron3dl 2mo ago

Inevitablism, a fundamentalist belief system that resolves every moral hazard with an appeal to the inevitable. "we can't let someone else do this first"

soco 2mo ago
"I will kill you now since you're dying anyway so just hand me all your money"
goatlover 2mo ago
Like Edward Teller wanting to develop hydrogen bombs while Oppenheimer was trying to prevent an arms race from starting.

Aurornis 2mo ago

> Watching the optimism and then collapse of Web 2.0 What collapse of web 2.0? Technically the website we're on is web 2.0 because we're interacting as users. I don't think it's naiveté on their part to want to build new things. I think you're just jaded and hyperfocusing on the negatives.

dag100 2mo ago
With some technologies, the negatives are so severe it is difficult to see how they outweigh the positives. Mind-control technology is quite frankly just asking to be abused. It's the ultimate relinquishment of power - you reveal your entire hand to someone else AND let them do what they want with it. I honestly don't understand how some people are so optimistic that they think this technology won't be misused in ways that massively overshadow the good that could be done with them.

kleiba2 2mo ago

To me, this reads as an attempt to raise easy investment money.

mosura 2mo ago

I think this is actually marginally less evil than Meta Tribe. The whole neuro space is dangerous and while people go on about “AI safety” the world will trend towards this madness. And this will provoke “well we need to regulate AI then”. No, you need to regulate poking around in people’s brains without asking them before that becomes normal.

pstuart 2mo ago
TIL -- dear god that's terrifying. I get that there's likely a lot of valuable and legitimate work that could come out of it, but I wouldn't trust Zuck as far as I could throw him out a window.

wuschel 2mo ago

"Die Gedanken sind frei..." - can someone guess them? A truly dystopian question. It is been 10 years ago when I looked through some research in that area. Back then it was the problem to get enough good signal. Has the situation changed radically here for non-invasive electrodes or portable detectors? I understand that the approach would be to turn weak signal, context, and LLM based signal processing into useful human computer interaction. For everything else, I have the feeling we are still in speculative territory.

rufasterisco 2mo ago

I understand where you are coming from. Yet. Neuralink exists since 10 years, is in clinical trial, has been implanted on a living human being in 2 years ago. The lack of adults in the room to set rules around moral hazard is hardly her generation's fault.

AdamH12113 2mo ago

According to her Wikipedia page, she's ~23 and went to Harvard, so A) her life experience is limited, B) most of the experience she does have involves being on a path to elitehood, and C) she probably sees a chance at a life-changing amount of money here. People like this are the input side of the "oops we built the Torment Nexus" pipeline.