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Brother, you want mass surveillance because of bikes, handbags, and weed. I guarantee there is _some_ group that finds some aspect of you, your life, or that o

Brother, you want mass surveillance because of bikes, handbags, and weed. I guarantee there is _some_ group that finds some aspect of you, your life, or that of some of your loved ones at least as annoying as you find those things.

bko 2mo ago
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- daun_gee 2mo ago
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- Windchaser 2mo ago
  > "filth and crime" checks, it's "people selling untaxed marijuana" Yeahhhh, we have radically different ideas about what constitutes "they're terrorizing my city". Casual use of heavy-handed law enforcement makes things much, much worse, not better.
  - bko 2mo ago
    Heavy handed? How about light handed. You're not allowed to sell illegal drugs on the street? Why do we allow this? Do you just not believe that there should be no laws that prevent people from posting up convenience stores on street corners? Or that police should look the other way bc it's too heavy handed to just detain the few dozen ppl that do this until they stop. This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state
    - OGWhales 2mo ago
      > This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state Curious then that you are arguing in favor of a police state with mass surveillance to solve these issues...
    - dpoloncsak 2mo ago
      Selling untaxed Marijuana in a legal state is not selling 'illegal drugs', just saying.
    - Windchaser 2mo ago
      > You're not allowed to sell illegal drugs on the street? ... Or that police should look the other way bc it's too heavy handed to just detain the few dozen ppl that do this until they stop. I don't think you need to arrest someone because they're selling an untaxed legal substance, no. (And: weed should be legal, if we're talking about a place where it's not). You can manage this situation better by getting their info and issuing a ticket. On its face, it doesn't warrant an escalation of force, the extra paperwork, or choking up the jails -- all of which represent very real costs to us, the taxpayers. > This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state Buddy, I have some news for you about the history of the US. Ten years ago, which country/countries had the highest incarceration rate in the world?
  - mikem170 2mo ago
    Lots of people are scared of those who are different or unfamiliar. They live in their own bubble - prefering homogenous suburbs, non-poor office workers, algorithmic feeds for their cognitive biases, etc. And fear, whether real or induced by manipulation, has precipitated a -lot- of atrocities in the world.
- OGWhales 2mo ago
  The issues you are complaining about are not issues due to a lack of mass surveillance. You're arguing in favor of mass surveillance with a diatribe of complaints over petty crimes that you describe as terrorism, while ignoring any of the potential downsides of what you are arguing for. Consider that you also break laws yourself, even if you think you don't, and what you are arguing for can and will be used against you too (not that one needs to break any laws for mass surveillance to be utilized against them).
- FatherOfCurses 2mo ago
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bko 2mo ago

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daun_gee 2mo ago
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Windchaser 2mo ago
> "filth and crime" checks, it's "people selling untaxed marijuana" Yeahhhh, we have radically different ideas about what constitutes "they're terrorizing my city". Casual use of heavy-handed law enforcement makes things much, much worse, not better.
- bko 2mo ago
  Heavy handed? How about light handed. You're not allowed to sell illegal drugs on the street? Why do we allow this? Do you just not believe that there should be no laws that prevent people from posting up convenience stores on street corners? Or that police should look the other way bc it's too heavy handed to just detain the few dozen ppl that do this until they stop. This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state
  - OGWhales 2mo ago
    > This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state Curious then that you are arguing in favor of a police state with mass surveillance to solve these issues...
  - dpoloncsak 2mo ago
    Selling untaxed Marijuana in a legal state is not selling 'illegal drugs', just saying.
  - Windchaser 2mo ago
    > You're not allowed to sell illegal drugs on the street? ... Or that police should look the other way bc it's too heavy handed to just detain the few dozen ppl that do this until they stop. I don't think you need to arrest someone because they're selling an untaxed legal substance, no. (And: weed should be legal, if we're talking about a place where it's not). You can manage this situation better by getting their info and issuing a ticket. On its face, it doesn't warrant an escalation of force, the extra paperwork, or choking up the jails -- all of which represent very real costs to us, the taxpayers. > This wasn't a thing 10 years ago and we weren't in a police state Buddy, I have some news for you about the history of the US. Ten years ago, which country/countries had the highest incarceration rate in the world?
- mikem170 2mo ago
  Lots of people are scared of those who are different or unfamiliar. They live in their own bubble - prefering homogenous suburbs, non-poor office workers, algorithmic feeds for their cognitive biases, etc. And fear, whether real or induced by manipulation, has precipitated a -lot- of atrocities in the world.
OGWhales 2mo ago
The issues you are complaining about are not issues due to a lack of mass surveillance. You're arguing in favor of mass surveillance with a diatribe of complaints over petty crimes that you describe as terrorism, while ignoring any of the potential downsides of what you are arguing for. Consider that you also break laws yourself, even if you think you don't, and what you are arguing for can and will be used against you too (not that one needs to break any laws for mass surveillance to be utilized against them).
FatherOfCurses 2mo ago
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