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Someone that is innocent is going to get killed soon because flock flagged them incorrectly. I recall reading the auto journalist that got flagged for a stolen

Someone that is innocent is going to get killed soon because flock flagged them incorrectly. I recall reading the auto journalist that got flagged for a stolen car while test driving a car. We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first, fires fast and then investigates last. An innocent person that reacts wrongly is eventually going to make the news. :-(

dgellow 2mo ago
That might already have happened for all we know
ericcholis 2mo ago
https://www.jalopnik.com/2219072/auto-journalist-harassed-by-cops-flock-cameras-working-correctly/ https://www.jalopnik.com/2219072/auto-journalist-harassed-by... Link for the curious
- GoofGarage 2mo ago
  Link straight from the source (the actual journalist) https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-tracked-me-for-days-over-stolen-plates-and-sent-police-after-me https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-trac...
  - downrightmike 2mo ago
    flock's out, glocks out
skeeter2020 2mo ago
Woman with SUV filled with minors pulled out by cops and handcuffed on the ground in Colorado based on flock ID'ing the license plate of stolen... motorcycle with same number (but from a different state). You can't make this shit up. https://www.kxlf.com/news/america-in-crisis/aurora-police-detain-black-family-after-mistaking-their-vehicle-as-stolen https://www.kxlf.com/news/america-in-crisis/aurora-police-de...
- infinite_spin 2mo ago
  glad you posted this. > "Why are you now placing these children on the ground face into the concrete? It's hot! In front of all of us? Screaming at them. They are telling you they are hurt," witness Jenni Wurtz said. I cannot believe LE will use this technology within ethical bounds, since they are willing to force a very young child onto the asphalt of a hot parking lot, who cannot possibly have posed a risk to their safety.
sylos 2mo ago
They have already destroyed at least one life. There was that woman arrest
saalweachter 2mo ago
I mean, even people who are guilty of many crimes shouldn't be summarily executed in the street. Stealing a television or driving a tractor trailer of illegal weed from coast to coast isn't a death sentence even after a jury trial & conviction, so we shouldn't really be all that sanguine about guilty people being killed either.
JK-Swizzle 2mo ago
https://abcnews.com/US/man-speaks-after-police-release-9-traffic-stop/story?id=109463145 https://abcnews.com/US/man-speaks-after-police-release-9-tra... He was attacked by a police dog after a flock camera misread his license plate. He was then charged for "obstruction", which was dropped 4 months later.
- MSFT_Edging 2mo ago
  Police dogs are another insane thing we allow. You can be mauled by a police dog and if you hit the dog, you get an assault on a police officer charge. It's bad enough a cop can permanently disable you if you can't follow 3 conflicting orders being yelled, but they can also send an animal who literally doesn't know better.
  - kyleee 2mo ago
    And the absurdity of a dog sniffing around the car for contraband. Crazy that’s allowed and taken seriously by the justice system
    - BobaFloutist 2mo ago
      Well the courts said they need probable cause for a search, so they needed an on-demand probable cause generator, or else they wouldn't be able to do pretextual searches on "randomly" stopped minorities anymore, which would be a violation of they(the police)'re civil rights.
      - tavavex 2mo ago
        The best thing is that the dog's actions are taken seriously from a judicial standpoint, yet the dog obviously can't be held responsible, so if there's wrongful action, no one is ever at fault!
SoftTalker 2mo ago
> We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first I'll bite. I'm sure it has happened. But how often?
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2mo ago
  Well, I'll bite. How often would it need to happen for you to find it outrageous?
xnx 2mo ago
Flock doesn't kill people. Cops do.
- infinite_spin 2mo ago
  The systems we have in place kill people. Aiming to blame just one point of failure, in a complex network of systems, is a failure itself
- MSFT_Edging 2mo ago
  that's why you don't give cops unaccountable tools which they can use to kill/harm/harass people even more effectively. Cops need to be on a leash because the profession attracts the untrained pitbulls of humanity. These people should be digging ditches half the time, yet they're the ones with qualified immunity and guns.
_DeadFred_ 2mo ago
"One California town found Flock's license plate cameras were wrong 71% of the time" https://www.techspot.com/news/113320-one-california-town-found-flock-license-plate-cameras.html https://www.techspot.com/news/113320-one-california-town-fou... and the saying OP is looking for is "You can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride". A police saying since the early 70s.

dgellow 2mo ago

That might already have happened for all we know

ericcholis 2mo ago

https://www.jalopnik.com/2219072/auto-journalist-harassed-by-cops-flock-cameras-working-correctly/ https://www.jalopnik.com/2219072/auto-journalist-harassed-by... Link for the curious

GoofGarage 2mo ago
Link straight from the source (the actual journalist) https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-tracked-me-for-days-over-stolen-plates-and-sent-police-after-me https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-flock-cameras-wrongly-trac...
- downrightmike 2mo ago
  flock's out, glocks out

skeeter2020 2mo ago

Woman with SUV filled with minors pulled out by cops and handcuffed on the ground in Colorado based on flock ID'ing the license plate of stolen... motorcycle with same number (but from a different state). You can't make this shit up. https://www.kxlf.com/news/america-in-crisis/aurora-police-detain-black-family-after-mistaking-their-vehicle-as-stolen https://www.kxlf.com/news/america-in-crisis/aurora-police-de...

infinite_spin 2mo ago
glad you posted this. > "Why are you now placing these children on the ground face into the concrete? It's hot! In front of all of us? Screaming at them. They are telling you they are hurt," witness Jenni Wurtz said. I cannot believe LE will use this technology within ethical bounds, since they are willing to force a very young child onto the asphalt of a hot parking lot, who cannot possibly have posed a risk to their safety.

sylos 2mo ago

They have already destroyed at least one life. There was that woman arrest

saalweachter 2mo ago

I mean, even people who are guilty of many crimes shouldn't be summarily executed in the street. Stealing a television or driving a tractor trailer of illegal weed from coast to coast isn't a death sentence even after a jury trial & conviction, so we shouldn't really be all that sanguine about guilty people being killed either.

JK-Swizzle 2mo ago

https://abcnews.com/US/man-speaks-after-police-release-9-traffic-stop/story?id=109463145 https://abcnews.com/US/man-speaks-after-police-release-9-tra... He was attacked by a police dog after a flock camera misread his license plate. He was then charged for "obstruction", which was dropped 4 months later.

MSFT_Edging 2mo ago
Police dogs are another insane thing we allow. You can be mauled by a police dog and if you hit the dog, you get an assault on a police officer charge. It's bad enough a cop can permanently disable you if you can't follow 3 conflicting orders being yelled, but they can also send an animal who literally doesn't know better.
- kyleee 2mo ago
  And the absurdity of a dog sniffing around the car for contraband. Crazy that’s allowed and taken seriously by the justice system
  - BobaFloutist 2mo ago
    Well the courts said they need probable cause for a search, so they needed an on-demand probable cause generator, or else they wouldn't be able to do pretextual searches on "randomly" stopped minorities anymore, which would be a violation of they(the police)'re civil rights.
    - tavavex 2mo ago
      The best thing is that the dog's actions are taken seriously from a judicial standpoint, yet the dog obviously can't be held responsible, so if there's wrongful action, no one is ever at fault!

SoftTalker 2mo ago

> We have seen how often pull over/arrests can derail when a stupid cop that is aggressive pulls out their weapon first I'll bite. I'm sure it has happened. But how often?

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2mo ago
Well, I'll bite. How often would it need to happen for you to find it outrageous?

xnx 2mo ago

Flock doesn't kill people. Cops do.

infinite_spin 2mo ago
The systems we have in place kill people. Aiming to blame just one point of failure, in a complex network of systems, is a failure itself
MSFT_Edging 2mo ago
that's why you don't give cops unaccountable tools which they can use to kill/harm/harass people even more effectively. Cops need to be on a leash because the profession attracts the untrained pitbulls of humanity. These people should be digging ditches half the time, yet they're the ones with qualified immunity and guns.

_DeadFred_ 2mo ago

"One California town found Flock's license plate cameras were wrong 71% of the time" https://www.techspot.com/news/113320-one-california-town-found-flock-license-plate-cameras.html https://www.techspot.com/news/113320-one-california-town-fou... and the saying OP is looking for is "You can beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride". A police saying since the early 70s.