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unfortunately, I think repeated psychedlic use has deterministic and predictable changes to peoples personalities. its not some "awakening", its a structural ch

unfortunately, I think repeated psychedlic use has deterministic and predictable changes to peoples personalities. its not some "awakening", its a structural change in the brain. i watched many close friends fade away after too much use

bossyTeacher 2mo ago
Surely, that's dosage dependent and frequency dependent. One per week vs once every three months vs once per year. Low dose vs medium dose vs high dose. Plus, these things are illegal which means that most of the time you are not getting the real but instead pharmacologically similar substances that might have secondary effects. This is way you can't reliably imply a correlation because it is a black market and often what you think you consumed is not what you actually consumed. Unless you actually tested what your friends consumed, you don't know what it was.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Pills and white powders get mixed up and adulterated that way, but I think everyone who eats mushrooms and hallucinates ate the right mushrooms. LSD is sometimes but rarely substituted for other hallucinogenic drugs that can be delivered on blotter paper, of which there aren't many.
  - bossyTeacher 2mo ago
    >I think everyone who eats mushrooms and hallucinates ate the right mushrooms That's a tautology. But what you meant is not true. Some of the compounds are chosen because they are chemically similar and have psilocybin like effects. Even if you were to test this with a standard kit it would be classified as psilocybin. Your average consumer would be none the wiser. The reason these compounds exist is literally because of that very reason. They were made in the context of slow moving policies targeting psychedelics by listing specific compounds.
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      I was under the impression that people ate dried mushrooms, not pure psilocybin extract? Are they sprinkling supermarket mushrooms with these other chemicals?
      - bossyTeacher 2mo ago
        Depends, chocs and sweets laced with psilocybin are more discreet, taste sweeter and allows you to mass produce while controlling the amount of psychoactive that you sell so they are as popular as dried shrooms if not more.
- mikert89 2mo ago
  no these people are deeply tied into the scene
- joquarky 2mo ago
  They're not illegal everywhere. You can grow mushrooms from spores and quality control the whole process.
rc5150 2mo ago
maybe they outgrew you.
inigyou 2mo ago
when you say your friends faded away, do you mean like they stopped being your friends, or like they became zombies? Because those are two very different interpretations
- mikert89 2mo ago
  just less relevant, less social, not as "bright", less with it, more out in space
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    Maybe it helped them realize the futility of existence. I'd say that's worse. We're not meant to think about that until we're nearly dead from old age.

bossyTeacher 2mo ago

Surely, that's dosage dependent and frequency dependent. One per week vs once every three months vs once per year. Low dose vs medium dose vs high dose. Plus, these things are illegal which means that most of the time you are not getting the real but instead pharmacologically similar substances that might have secondary effects. This is way you can't reliably imply a correlation because it is a black market and often what you think you consumed is not what you actually consumed. Unless you actually tested what your friends consumed, you don't know what it was.

inigyou 2mo ago
Pills and white powders get mixed up and adulterated that way, but I think everyone who eats mushrooms and hallucinates ate the right mushrooms. LSD is sometimes but rarely substituted for other hallucinogenic drugs that can be delivered on blotter paper, of which there aren't many.
- bossyTeacher 2mo ago
  >I think everyone who eats mushrooms and hallucinates ate the right mushrooms That's a tautology. But what you meant is not true. Some of the compounds are chosen because they are chemically similar and have psilocybin like effects. Even if you were to test this with a standard kit it would be classified as psilocybin. Your average consumer would be none the wiser. The reason these compounds exist is literally because of that very reason. They were made in the context of slow moving policies targeting psychedelics by listing specific compounds.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    I was under the impression that people ate dried mushrooms, not pure psilocybin extract? Are they sprinkling supermarket mushrooms with these other chemicals?
    - bossyTeacher 2mo ago
      Depends, chocs and sweets laced with psilocybin are more discreet, taste sweeter and allows you to mass produce while controlling the amount of psychoactive that you sell so they are as popular as dried shrooms if not more.
mikert89 2mo ago
no these people are deeply tied into the scene
joquarky 2mo ago
They're not illegal everywhere. You can grow mushrooms from spores and quality control the whole process.

rc5150 2mo ago

maybe they outgrew you.

inigyou 2mo ago

when you say your friends faded away, do you mean like they stopped being your friends, or like they became zombies? Because those are two very different interpretations

mikert89 2mo ago
just less relevant, less social, not as "bright", less with it, more out in space
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Maybe it helped them realize the futility of existence. I'd say that's worse. We're not meant to think about that until we're nearly dead from old age.