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I'm not sure upgrading was possible. The old maps app was actually made entirely by Apple while this new one is made entirely by Google. I can't imagine Apple w

I'm not sure upgrading was possible. The old maps app was actually made entirely by Apple while this new one is made entirely by Google. I can't imagine Apple would give a third-party a system level app. Just look at YouTube. The same reasons why Apple wouldn't package Google Maps with iOS are the same reasons Google wouldn't package iTunes with Android. You don't want to concede ground to your competition. Now if they want to fight for it that is a entirely different story.

untog 14y ago
Right. It wasn't possible for one single reason: Apple wouldn't allow it. So, yes, I think it's right to blame Apple.
- reidmain 14y ago
  Blame them for not giving ground to their competitors?
  - untog 14y ago
    Why should I, as a user, care? I had a great feature, they replaced it with a bad one. They shouldn't have.
    - reidmain 14y ago
      Yeah if you want to divorce yourself completely from the business side of things I understand that perspective. I would not however expect a company to do something that would harm them just to please me. They are a business trying to make money to survive. Doesn't matter if it is a massive company or small startup. EDIT: Ideally I would have like the Google app to have come out a lot quicker than it did so the transition period was better but I'm not sure who to blame for that. Odds are it was Apple who pulled the rug out from beneath Google's feet during the negotiation but that is all here-say and conjecture. Probably 10 years from now we'll read in some book how shit went down.
      - revelation 14y ago
        The business side of things? The business side of things is people paying premium money to Apple for what they expect to be a premium experience.
        reidmain 14y ago
        And for the most part I've got that. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences I've had with Apple products. I also guess I lucked out a bit because the iOS 6 maps worked fine for me but I do live in Canada's largest city so that is probably a factor. I've converted dozens of people over to Apple and no one has complained that they should have gone to Android or stayed with Windows.
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jonknee 14y ago
> The same reasons why Apple wouldn't package Google Maps with iOS are the same reasons Google wouldn't package iTunes with Android. You don't want to concede ground to your competition. Now if they want to fight for it that is a entirely different story. Apple would never make iTunes for Android though, so it's an unfair comparison. I have every reason to believe that Google would be willing to have its Maps application be the default. I don't think any actual users realized that Google did not write the code for the previous Maps application, it makes no difference who writes the code. It was Google Maps, that's all that mattered. Apple already has exclusive rights to approve all iOS applications, so having a third party write the code would not be any more of a risk than shipping an internal app everyone knows is powered by Google.
- reidmain 14y ago
  Oh of course Google would want it's application to be the default. Who wouldn't? It is free users. To my knowledge pure Google Android doesn't package any third-party apps that tap into third-party services which compete with Google. I'm happy that they don't block any apps from being added to the marketplace and for the most part I am happy with Apple for that same stance as well. I have Chrome, Gmail and Google Maps alongside Safari, Mail and Maps now. Heck even Google Voice competes with Siri. This is only making my life as a iOS user better.
  - jonknee 14y ago
    > To my knowledge pure Google Android doesn't package any third-party apps that tap into third-party services which compete with Google. "Pure" Google Android doesn't package anything, to get the Google applications you need to make a deal with Google. If you were able to convince Apple to make an iTunes Android app you could certainly ship it by default on a phone. Real life example: some devices from AT&T ship with "AT&T Navigation" which competes with Google's kit. Even better would be if Apple ported its maps app to Android and offered it to anyone who wants to ship it by default. I predict a grand total of 0 devices from a large brand would ship with it.
    - 14y ago

untog 14y ago

Right. It wasn't possible for one single reason: Apple wouldn't allow it. So, yes, I think it's right to blame Apple.

reidmain 14y ago
Blame them for not giving ground to their competitors?
- untog 14y ago
  Why should I, as a user, care? I had a great feature, they replaced it with a bad one. They shouldn't have.
  - reidmain 14y ago
    Yeah if you want to divorce yourself completely from the business side of things I understand that perspective. I would not however expect a company to do something that would harm them just to please me. They are a business trying to make money to survive. Doesn't matter if it is a massive company or small startup. EDIT: Ideally I would have like the Google app to have come out a lot quicker than it did so the transition period was better but I'm not sure who to blame for that. Odds are it was Apple who pulled the rug out from beneath Google's feet during the negotiation but that is all here-say and conjecture. Probably 10 years from now we'll read in some book how shit went down.
    - revelation 14y ago
      The business side of things? The business side of things is people paying premium money to Apple for what they expect to be a premium experience.
      - reidmain 14y ago
        And for the most part I've got that. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences I've had with Apple products. I also guess I lucked out a bit because the iOS 6 maps worked fine for me but I do live in Canada's largest city so that is probably a factor. I've converted dozens of people over to Apple and no one has complained that they should have gone to Android or stayed with Windows.
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jonknee 14y ago

> The same reasons why Apple wouldn't package Google Maps with iOS are the same reasons Google wouldn't package iTunes with Android. You don't want to concede ground to your competition. Now if they want to fight for it that is a entirely different story. Apple would never make iTunes for Android though, so it's an unfair comparison. I have every reason to believe that Google would be willing to have its Maps application be the default. I don't think any actual users realized that Google did not write the code for the previous Maps application, it makes no difference who writes the code. It was Google Maps, that's all that mattered. Apple already has exclusive rights to approve all iOS applications, so having a third party write the code would not be any more of a risk than shipping an internal app everyone knows is powered by Google.

reidmain 14y ago
Oh of course Google would want it's application to be the default. Who wouldn't? It is free users. To my knowledge pure Google Android doesn't package any third-party apps that tap into third-party services which compete with Google. I'm happy that they don't block any apps from being added to the marketplace and for the most part I am happy with Apple for that same stance as well. I have Chrome, Gmail and Google Maps alongside Safari, Mail and Maps now. Heck even Google Voice competes with Siri. This is only making my life as a iOS user better.
- jonknee 14y ago
  > To my knowledge pure Google Android doesn't package any third-party apps that tap into third-party services which compete with Google. "Pure" Google Android doesn't package anything, to get the Google applications you need to make a deal with Google. If you were able to convince Apple to make an iTunes Android app you could certainly ship it by default on a phone. Real life example: some devices from AT&T ship with "AT&T Navigation" which competes with Google's kit. Even better would be if Apple ported its maps app to Android and offered it to anyone who wants to ship it by default. I predict a grand total of 0 devices from a large brand would ship with it.
  - 14y ago