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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement

by pas 2mo ago

inigyou 2mo ago
This is civilization-level apoptosis. The civilization detects that it is broken and makes room for a properly functioning one to take over.
- eudamoniac 2mo ago
  I'd say it's more citizen-level apoptosis. These women are the ones exiting the gene pool, not the whole civilization. But also 4B is an outsized meme especially in the west. It's like furries. We all know about them, but they are not typical people who you can draw conclusions about the civilization from.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    The women aren't the ones detecting they have something wrong with them. They are detecting there is something wrong with the next level up, and shutting down that whole thing. Like an apoptosis gene triggered by excessive misfolded proteins.
    - eudamoniac 2mo ago
      But in reality they aren't "shutting down that whole thing", they are shutting down their personal lineage and not much else. The women might not be conscious of something wrong with themselves, but if they were cells in a body, their behavior would not indicate the body is sick, only that they are.
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        Current fertility rate in South Korea is 1.09, about half of replacement rate. It's not just a small number of women. When the misfolded protein response triggers cell death, the proteins that activate the response are not, themselves, misfolded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfolded_protein_response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfolded_protein_response
      - pas 2mo ago
        biology uses a lot of gradients and culling. the brain starts with more neurons than it needs, and those that don't form connections get recycled. no need to start futile fights when you are in the (ideological) minority.
mock-possum 2mo ago
> 4B or "Four Nos" is a South Korean radical feminist[1] movement whose proponents do not date men, marry men, have sex with men, or have children with men. huh... is that really feminism? or just homosexuality / asexuality?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement

by pas 2mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement

This is civilization-level apoptosis. The civilization detects that it is broken and makes room for a properly functioning one to take over.

eudamoniac 2mo ago
I'd say it's more citizen-level apoptosis. These women are the ones exiting the gene pool, not the whole civilization. But also 4B is an outsized meme especially in the west. It's like furries. We all know about them, but they are not typical people who you can draw conclusions about the civilization from.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  The women aren't the ones detecting they have something wrong with them. They are detecting there is something wrong with the next level up, and shutting down that whole thing. Like an apoptosis gene triggered by excessive misfolded proteins.
  - eudamoniac 2mo ago
    But in reality they aren't "shutting down that whole thing", they are shutting down their personal lineage and not much else. The women might not be conscious of something wrong with themselves, but if they were cells in a body, their behavior would not indicate the body is sick, only that they are.
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Current fertility rate in South Korea is 1.09, about half of replacement rate. It's not just a small number of women. When the misfolded protein response triggers cell death, the proteins that activate the response are not, themselves, misfolded. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfolded_protein_response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfolded_protein_response
    - pas 2mo ago
      biology uses a lot of gradients and culling. the brain starts with more neurons than it needs, and those that don't form connections get recycled. no need to start futile fights when you are in the (ideological) minority.

mock-possum 2mo ago

> 4B or "Four Nos" is a South Korean radical feminist[1] movement whose proponents do not date men, marry men, have sex with men, or have children with men. huh... is that really feminism? or just homosexuality / asexuality?