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> Imagine an LLM which actually sounded like you, and to an extent, thought like you. How much would you pay to have access to a smarter version of yourself? I

by nkrisc 2mo ago

> Imagine an LLM which actually sounded like you, and to an extent, thought like you. How much would you pay to have access to a smarter version of yourself? I find the idea dehumanizing and revolting. The notion of then selling it is the spoiled cream on top.

frozenseven 2mo ago
After reading some of the outraged comments here, I'm even more excited.
- xhevahir 2mo ago
  Hopefully the satisfaction of owning the normies isn't the only benefit you'll get from this technology. Because that would be pretty sad.
- Planktonne 2mo ago
  I do think it's significant that the supporters of this kind of technology seem to be unusually spiteful. This doesn't happen with all tech; people who like VR don't like it because they want to hurt others, for example. But consistently, whenever AI is discussed, it becomes clear that some people support it just out of malevolence.
  - frozenseven 2mo ago
    >unusually spiteful >hurt others >malevolence The irony here, of course, is that you are casually insulting me for being interested in this tech in the first place and refusing to apologize or back down. Like how the other guy needed to chime in with "dehumanizing and revolting", even though nobody is forcing him to use any of this.
    - Planktonne 2mo ago
      Nonsense. You were very clear. I wouldn't have any problem with you being interested in this tech if it wasn't driven by spite. Lots of people manage this. But you said > After reading some of the outraged comments here, I'm even more excited. The reason you gave for excitement was the upset it causes others. There are people who like AI who aren't driven by malevolence, but you're not one of them.
      - frozenseven 2mo ago
        >the upset it causes others So, what's the "upset"? Why is anybody here upset about what we're doing/I'm doing? I'm not backtracking on anything, I'm doubling down. >malevolence lol. lmao even.
        Planktonne 2mo ago
        People are upset for lots of reasons, but that's not actually important for this discussion, which is about the fact that your support for AI is apparently conditional on them being upset rather than any positives about AI. That's weird; fans of [almost anything] don't do that.
        frozenseven 2mo ago
        >that's not actually important Yeah, let's just ignore the bit where we're minding our own business, pursuing what we want, yet you feel the need to bark stuff like "dehumanizing and revolting" at us. >rather than any positives about AI I'm a huge supporter of AI. I want this stuff. If this upsets you, I like it even more.
        Planktonne 2mo ago
        You aren't minding your own business (or, apparently, reading replies carefully). If you were minding your own business, then this petty spite > If this upsets you, I like it even more. wouldn't be appearing. Getting off on others' pain is the opposite of minding your own business, even if only to hopefully a small degree. Liking things because other people dislike them is at best petulant. It's more cruel.
        frozenseven 2mo ago
        >others' pain >cruel Allow me to laugh even louder. Reminds me of the "you're prompting with Hitler" meme.
        wpietri 2mo ago
- nkrisc 2mo ago
  I’m not surprised, that’s exactly the kind of person who would want this kind of technology. Remember, society as a whole will decide what's acceptable, there are no objective, natural laws that decide that. My gut feeling is that this is starting to cut close to what most people will find objectionable.
  - frozenseven 2mo ago
    >the kind of person Yes, I'm interested in this. Yes, I think that comments like "dehumanizing and revolting" are a signal. I'm not going to feel bad about exploring this tech. So, yes, I am that person and will continue to be that person. >society as a whole will decide what's acceptable So, how would you describe the past few months? Years? You keep saying that we need to reject AI, yet adoption and the gamut of use cases keep ever expanding.
    - nkrisc 2mo ago
      I think there are good use cases for AI, I never said otherwise. Creating simulacra of real people is not one of them, I believe. > yet adoption and the gamut of use cases keep ever expanding. I don't see how that's evidence in favor of AI, as many harmful technologies and products became very popular. In fact, that's exactly why I think a slower, more measured approach is necessary. Otherwise once the harms become apparent everyone wants to shrug their shoulders and say, "well it's too late now, everyone's using it."

by nkrisc 2mo ago

frozenseven 2mo ago

After reading some of the outraged comments here, I'm even more excited.

xhevahir 2mo ago
Hopefully the satisfaction of owning the normies isn't the only benefit you'll get from this technology. Because that would be pretty sad.
Planktonne 2mo ago
I do think it's significant that the supporters of this kind of technology seem to be unusually spiteful. This doesn't happen with all tech; people who like VR don't like it because they want to hurt others, for example. But consistently, whenever AI is discussed, it becomes clear that some people support it just out of malevolence.
- frozenseven 2mo ago
  >unusually spiteful >hurt others >malevolence The irony here, of course, is that you are casually insulting me for being interested in this tech in the first place and refusing to apologize or back down. Like how the other guy needed to chime in with "dehumanizing and revolting", even though nobody is forcing him to use any of this.
  - Planktonne 2mo ago
    Nonsense. You were very clear. I wouldn't have any problem with you being interested in this tech if it wasn't driven by spite. Lots of people manage this. But you said > After reading some of the outraged comments here, I'm even more excited. The reason you gave for excitement was the upset it causes others. There are people who like AI who aren't driven by malevolence, but you're not one of them.
    - frozenseven 2mo ago
      >the upset it causes others So, what's the "upset"? Why is anybody here upset about what we're doing/I'm doing? I'm not backtracking on anything, I'm doubling down. >malevolence lol. lmao even.
      - Planktonne 2mo ago
        People are upset for lots of reasons, but that's not actually important for this discussion, which is about the fact that your support for AI is apparently conditional on them being upset rather than any positives about AI. That's weird; fans of [almost anything] don't do that.
        frozenseven 2mo ago
        >that's not actually important Yeah, let's just ignore the bit where we're minding our own business, pursuing what we want, yet you feel the need to bark stuff like "dehumanizing and revolting" at us. >rather than any positives about AI I'm a huge supporter of AI. I want this stuff. If this upsets you, I like it even more.
        Planktonne 2mo ago
        You aren't minding your own business (or, apparently, reading replies carefully). If you were minding your own business, then this petty spite > If this upsets you, I like it even more. wouldn't be appearing. Getting off on others' pain is the opposite of minding your own business, even if only to hopefully a small degree. Liking things because other people dislike them is at best petulant. It's more cruel.
        frozenseven 2mo ago
        >others' pain >cruel Allow me to laugh even louder. Reminds me of the "you're prompting with Hitler" meme.
      - wpietri 2mo ago
nkrisc 2mo ago
I’m not surprised, that’s exactly the kind of person who would want this kind of technology. Remember, society as a whole will decide what's acceptable, there are no objective, natural laws that decide that. My gut feeling is that this is starting to cut close to what most people will find objectionable.
- frozenseven 2mo ago
  >the kind of person Yes, I'm interested in this. Yes, I think that comments like "dehumanizing and revolting" are a signal. I'm not going to feel bad about exploring this tech. So, yes, I am that person and will continue to be that person. >society as a whole will decide what's acceptable So, how would you describe the past few months? Years? You keep saying that we need to reject AI, yet adoption and the gamut of use cases keep ever expanding.
  - nkrisc 2mo ago
    I think there are good use cases for AI, I never said otherwise. Creating simulacra of real people is not one of them, I believe. > yet adoption and the gamut of use cases keep ever expanding. I don't see how that's evidence in favor of AI, as many harmful technologies and products became very popular. In fact, that's exactly why I think a slower, more measured approach is necessary. Otherwise once the harms become apparent everyone wants to shrug their shoulders and say, "well it's too late now, everyone's using it."