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They're also covered in cameras the police have access to, which have been used to track down legal protestors in the past. That's why there was a spate of peop
by inigyou 3mo ago
They're also covered in cameras the police have access to, which have been used to track down legal protestors in the past. That's why there was a spate of people setting them on fire a few months ago. Basically, every Waymo car is a Flock camera.
- SR2Z 3mo agoStop spreading FUD. The police do not in any meaningful way "have access" to Waymo cameras. They can subpoena recordings and Waymo will call the cops on you if you commit a crime in one of their cars, but your statement implies Flock-like access which the police simply don't have.
- inigyou 3mo agohttps://gizmodo.com/waymos-driverless-cars-revealed-to-be-narcs-as-cops-use-them-to-probe-crimes-2000590426 https://gizmodo.com/waymos-driverless-cars-revealed-to-be-na...
- SR2Z 3mo agoDid you read your article? > Waymo does not provide information or data to law enforcement without a valid legal request, usually in the form of a warrant, subpoena, or court order. Waymo is no more required to turn over data to the government than you are.
- Lammy 3mo agoWhat percentage of “valid” legal requests are granted versus denied?
- SR2Z 3mo agoPresumably Waymo complies with their legal obligations... The point is that there's a process, it applies both to Waymo and to you as a rando. The police don't have special access to Waymo cameras.
- inigyou 3mo agoSo if I sent an email to Waymo I could get camera footage of a crime?
- SR2Z 3mo agoPerhaps you should read this: https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/subpoena https://selfhelp.courts.ca.gov/subpoena
- ssl-3 3mo agoMore like: When an entity (including a corp like Waymo and you as a random person alike) has information (such as camera footage), then that information can be subpoenaed. Even when you've got your own camera on your own front porch making recordings on your own hard drive using your own isolated network: There is are long-established legal processes by which you can be ordered to hand over [a subset of] those recordings. Neither Waymo nor you, yourself, are exceptional to these processes.
- inigyou 3mo agoWho said anything about subpoenas? Waymo says "valid legal request". When other companies say "valid legal request" it means "a police department emailed us"
- Lammy 3mo ago> The point is that there's a process That is the opposite of reassuring, because here are the stats for those processes as a whole (just ‘requests for user information’, not broken down by data type or Google product). Currently at 84% accepance rate i.e. the ‘process’ is a formality lol: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=en https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?hl=...
- SR2Z 3mo agoI don't know what to tell you. The subpoena system has been around for a VERY long time before Google even existed. You seem to be unfamiliar with it so I'd encourage you to read up before you call it a "formality." This is not some newfangled shiny thing. If you hold records that are important to a court case you can be forced to give them up by court order. This is true regardless of who "you" happens to be. If police "have access" to a Waymo, it's only because they also "have access" to your phone, your medical records, your car rental history, etc., etc.
- inigyou 3mo agoIrrelevant. They turn it over.
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- 1shooner 3mo agoMore broadly, do you believe that Google is not, in some way, adding Waymo data to the surveillance or intelligence product catalog the US government already purchases from them?
- nxc18 3mo agoThey also have access to the cameras on buses and trains, typically. Public spaces are public spaces.
- Breza 3mo agoYup, every time I'm on a city bus they have a screen that cycles through the different cameras. They really have every angle covered. And some of our buses even have traffic enforcement cameras that issue tickets to cars.