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>where USN is destroying drug running boats >which is arguably against some maritime laws You get it completely backwards: the US Navy is "allegedly" destroyi

by Arodex 2mo ago

>where USN is destroying drug running boats >which is arguably against some maritime laws You get it completely backwards: the US Navy is "allegedly" destroying drug running boats, and it is completely, totally, "inarguably" against maritime laws - and laws of war (but there is no war, right?) and basic law principles in civilized countries. >it's an Elephant precisely stepping on a single ant. It is not a cute animal simile. It is US Navy sailors commiting 200+ summary executions. It is burning alive and drowning. It is widows and orphans.

bluegatty 2mo ago
"It is widows and orphans." - you lost the argument by trying to characterize these people as innocents, because it's such an awful position it undermines your own legitimacy. These are 'Cártel de los Soles' etc they are thugs and killers, the source of untold violence and harm. This the hysterical rhetorical position that I'm actually hinting at - contempt for a party (in this case the US) renders people intellectually incoherent - willing to defend the most vile actions such as mass murder by Hamas, Iranian regime, mass killings, torture and imprisonment, by North Vietnam etc.. The same people that overlook Stalin's literal genocide - for example, the German Centre Left Party, the Social Democrats, who used to 'retreat' in Russia, at one of Stalin's summer homes. This 'USA always bad / actual terrorists are victims' nonsense is the psychological affliction at work here, in almost all these discussions. It's the flip side of the 'USA good and justified in everything' nonsense. One posture does not justify the other. First - The US has a reasonable moral claim against stopping these parties, even if they are going too far by not using interdiction, and killing those who were floating at sea. The basic legitimacy remains even if the methods are not justified. Second - The situation if anything demonstrates US exceptionalism, which is the argument here. This isn't about 'moral claims' - it's about if the US is actually an exceptional military force. The OP indicated 'the US clearly not exceptional'. This is completely delusional. Obviously, they are. It's not a moral assessment, which is much more complicated. Contempt for the US turns people's brains to rubbish.
- Arodex 2mo ago
  >These are 'Cártel de los Soles' etc they are thugs and killers Do you have any proof the people killed on those boats are thugs and killers, and not just mules, or fishermen? And how does your righteousness squares with the same US government releasing Juan Orlando Hernández? >willing to defend the most vile actions such as mass murder by Hamas, Iranian regime, mass killings, torture and imprisonment, by North Vietnam etc.. Absolutely nobody is defending these. The US is just completely failing at stopping those "vile actions" and piling up more death and misery to just end up at the same point or worse.
- rf15 2mo ago
  > Contempt for the US turns people's brains to rubbish. ...it's not contempt, but man, the US is just not that special. It's just one of us. calm down. Or, coming from another direction: you are verbally thrashing in an HN thread because you heard something you didn't like, you think countries don't do this on the regular, including with weapons if they feel it's worth the effort?

by Arodex 2mo ago

bluegatty 2mo ago

"It is widows and orphans." - you lost the argument by trying to characterize these people as innocents, because it's such an awful position it undermines your own legitimacy. These are 'Cártel de los Soles' etc they are thugs and killers, the source of untold violence and harm. This the hysterical rhetorical position that I'm actually hinting at - contempt for a party (in this case the US) renders people intellectually incoherent - willing to defend the most vile actions such as mass murder by Hamas, Iranian regime, mass killings, torture and imprisonment, by North Vietnam etc.. The same people that overlook Stalin's literal genocide - for example, the German Centre Left Party, the Social Democrats, who used to 'retreat' in Russia, at one of Stalin's summer homes. This 'USA always bad / actual terrorists are victims' nonsense is the psychological affliction at work here, in almost all these discussions. It's the flip side of the 'USA good and justified in everything' nonsense. One posture does not justify the other. First - The US has a reasonable moral claim against stopping these parties, even if they are going too far by not using interdiction, and killing those who were floating at sea. The basic legitimacy remains even if the methods are not justified. Second - The situation if anything demonstrates US exceptionalism, which is the argument here. This isn't about 'moral claims' - it's about if the US is actually an exceptional military force. The OP indicated 'the US clearly not exceptional'. This is completely delusional. Obviously, they are. It's not a moral assessment, which is much more complicated. Contempt for the US turns people's brains to rubbish.

Arodex 2mo ago
>These are 'Cártel de los Soles' etc they are thugs and killers Do you have any proof the people killed on those boats are thugs and killers, and not just mules, or fishermen? And how does your righteousness squares with the same US government releasing Juan Orlando Hernández? >willing to defend the most vile actions such as mass murder by Hamas, Iranian regime, mass killings, torture and imprisonment, by North Vietnam etc.. Absolutely nobody is defending these. The US is just completely failing at stopping those "vile actions" and piling up more death and misery to just end up at the same point or worse.
rf15 2mo ago
> Contempt for the US turns people's brains to rubbish. ...it's not contempt, but man, the US is just not that special. It's just one of us. calm down. Or, coming from another direction: you are verbally thrashing in an HN thread because you heard something you didn't like, you think countries don't do this on the regular, including with weapons if they feel it's worth the effort?