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By this logic the Chinese should have just given up and let the American AI companies have the market because they were so far behind. I'm sure Europe has the c
by yborg 2mo ago
By this logic the Chinese should have just given up and let the American AI companies have the market because they were so far behind. I'm sure Europe has the capability to distill other people's frontier models to catch up if they wish to do so.
- baq 2mo agoDistilling is unsafe from export control perspective - Chinese models are poisoned by US frontier distillation and a case can be made that the US won’t like distilling what they may consider transitively theirs, which they will the moment you’re anywhere near competitive.
- LunaSea 2mo agoUS judges have already rules that output of an LLM can't be copyrighted so not sure what would prevent Chinese companies to use said output for distillation purposes.
- NitpickLawyer 2mo ago> already rules that output of an LLM can't be copyrighted Mind sharing such cases? I'm not aware of any so far. There's the one with images, but that's commonly miss-understood, that case was ruled on a technicality (i.e. copyright needs to be attributed to a person, not a model)
- Me1000 2mo agohttps://www.copyright.gov/newsnet/2025/1060.html https://www.copyright.gov/newsnet/2025/1060.html
- baq 2mo agoNote I didn't mention copyright
- kergonath 2mo agoBy which other mechanism could American AI companies prevent this? Other companies don’t really care about EULAs and even if they needed to care it’s trivial to let third parties do it. Why would they? Almost nobody in the space cares about copyright and play fast and loose with laws and regulations. What’s the mechanism that could today prevent other companies from using LLM outputs to train their models?
- grezql 2mo ago[dead]
- kergonath 2mo ago> Distilling is unsafe from export control perspective That is not the direction American judges are taking. Right now, they are saying that LLM output cannot be copyrighted. And if looting copyrighted works for training is fair game, I really don’t see how one could argue that learning from other LLMs is not.
- sroussey 2mo agoThe parent commenter was talking about Mistral as a single company and you switched from that to all of the EU. There definitely have been Chinese companies with models that fell behind, which is the more direct comparison. As for the EU in general, there are not a lot of known options. There are some working on things. The US, the EU, and China all have frontier labs that have yet to release anything.
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