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> they do at least know what the market near them says they want right now It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just

by petcat 2mo ago

> they do at least know what the market near them says they want right now It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. I guess they know that the EU AI Act, Chat Control, etc are going to cause a lot of companies to need this kind of compliance.

lava_pidgeon 2mo ago
Some of the best social media is heavily moderate. This includes HN and r/credible defense . With a Quiet transparent and cheap LLM I imagine a social media website where you can have good discussion about everything around the world it would be a game changer and on my to-do list.
- petcat 2mo ago
  > Some of the best social media is heavily moderate Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Not AI chat bots following a rules engine.
  - winwang 2mo ago
    Wouldn't discretion "just" be a really good rules engine?
  - colechristensen 2mo ago
    The bulk of moderation work is things which are easy and obvious. The correct way to moderate is automation with certainty falling back to humans with discretion. The new frontier of moderation should be blocking illiterate comments, as in the commenter is replying as though they didn't read or read and didn't understand.
  - baq 2mo ago
    > Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Pretty sure both of the above have extensive automation in their moderation.
  - LunaSea 2mo ago
    No, they are moderated by arbitrary company moderation policies not humans with independent thoughts. AI can do exactly that.
  - tsss 2mo ago
    I'd rather be censored by an AI than a reddit mod.
cinntaile 2mo ago
Another commenter already mentioned that it's more likely a lack of compute and funding that forces their hand to focus on niche tasks.
kergonath 2mo ago
> It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. Well, first Mistral is French more than European. This might be a difficult distinction to make from the US but their approach is quite different from e.g. typical German companies. Then, this is just a small model they release on the side. If that’s your benchmark, they released somewhat recently Voxtral, Voxtral transcribe, their OCR model, and Leanstral. I don’t think you can get much insight on their culture from this kind of release.
gspr 2mo ago
Ugh. There's nothing inherently European about Chat Control. It's a dumb proposal, and it's European. Any free society has a bunch of dumb proposals. Nor is there anything inherently European about the AI Act. But that one I wouldn't even call dumb. At times misguided and confused, perhaps, but some of its core principles are valuable.
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tomjen3 2mo ago
There's a world of a difference between being required to censor something by an entity outside of you and being able to censor something of your own and it's not just theoretical. Wanna run your own forum dedicated to Bluey? This will be useful. If its made well then using it to run a "porn appreciators strict no politics" forum (probably shouldn't be the same as the Bluey forum) is useful. Being forced or pressured by an outside entity to not allow debates about suicide on your forum — that's a no-good, strict no-no situation. This AI enhances individuals' ability and what normal people can do. It does not diminish it.

by petcat 2mo ago

lava_pidgeon 2mo ago

Some of the best social media is heavily moderate. This includes HN and r/credible defense . With a Quiet transparent and cheap LLM I imagine a social media website where you can have good discussion about everything around the world it would be a game changer and on my to-do list.

petcat 2mo ago
> Some of the best social media is heavily moderate Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Not AI chat bots following a rules engine.
- winwang 2mo ago
  Wouldn't discretion "just" be a really good rules engine?
- colechristensen 2mo ago
  The bulk of moderation work is things which are easy and obvious. The correct way to moderate is automation with certainty falling back to humans with discretion. The new frontier of moderation should be blocking illiterate comments, as in the commenter is replying as though they didn't read or read and didn't understand.
- baq 2mo ago
  > Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Pretty sure both of the above have extensive automation in their moderation.
- LunaSea 2mo ago
  No, they are moderated by arbitrary company moderation policies not humans with independent thoughts. AI can do exactly that.
- tsss 2mo ago
  I'd rather be censored by an AI than a reddit mod.

cinntaile 2mo ago

Another commenter already mentioned that it's more likely a lack of compute and funding that forces their hand to focus on niche tasks.

kergonath 2mo ago

> It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. Well, first Mistral is French more than European. This might be a difficult distinction to make from the US but their approach is quite different from e.g. typical German companies. Then, this is just a small model they release on the side. If that’s your benchmark, they released somewhat recently Voxtral, Voxtral transcribe, their OCR model, and Leanstral. I don’t think you can get much insight on their culture from this kind of release.

gspr 2mo ago

Ugh. There's nothing inherently European about Chat Control. It's a dumb proposal, and it's European. Any free society has a bunch of dumb proposals. Nor is there anything inherently European about the AI Act. But that one I wouldn't even call dumb. At times misguided and confused, perhaps, but some of its core principles are valuable.

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tomjen3 2mo ago

There's a world of a difference between being required to censor something by an entity outside of you and being able to censor something of your own and it's not just theoretical. Wanna run your own forum dedicated to Bluey? This will be useful. If its made well then using it to run a "porn appreciators strict no politics" forum (probably shouldn't be the same as the Bluey forum) is useful. Being forced or pressured by an outside entity to not allow debates about suicide on your forum — that's a no-good, strict no-no situation. This AI enhances individuals' ability and what normal people can do. It does not diminish it.