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Someone should use this to do the exact opposite of the intention: filter for “offensive” content, and boost it or collate it into a newsletter/email blast for

by mosura 2mo ago

Someone should use this to do the exact opposite of the intention: filter for “offensive” content, and boost it or collate it into a newsletter/email blast for people of culture. You have to give it to Mistral they do at least know what the market near them says they want right now. The great problem is in a few years of this that market won’t be worth anything. Edit to add, you could also add this to an AI workflow so as to produce content that walks right up to the line but doesn’t trigger it.

petcat 2mo ago
> they do at least know what the market near them says they want right now It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. I guess they know that the EU AI Act, Chat Control, etc are going to cause a lot of companies to need this kind of compliance.
- lava_pidgeon 2mo ago
  Some of the best social media is heavily moderate. This includes HN and r/credible defense . With a Quiet transparent and cheap LLM I imagine a social media website where you can have good discussion about everything around the world it would be a game changer and on my to-do list.
  - petcat 2mo ago
    > Some of the best social media is heavily moderate Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Not AI chat bots following a rules engine.
    - winwang 2mo ago
      Wouldn't discretion "just" be a really good rules engine?
    - colechristensen 2mo ago
      The bulk of moderation work is things which are easy and obvious. The correct way to moderate is automation with certainty falling back to humans with discretion. The new frontier of moderation should be blocking illiterate comments, as in the commenter is replying as though they didn't read or read and didn't understand.
    - baq 2mo ago
      > Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Pretty sure both of the above have extensive automation in their moderation.
    - LunaSea 2mo ago
      No, they are moderated by arbitrary company moderation policies not humans with independent thoughts. AI can do exactly that.
    - tsss 2mo ago
      I'd rather be censored by an AI than a reddit mod.
- cinntaile 2mo ago
  Another commenter already mentioned that it's more likely a lack of compute and funding that forces their hand to focus on niche tasks.
- kergonath 2mo ago
  > It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. Well, first Mistral is French more than European. This might be a difficult distinction to make from the US but their approach is quite different from e.g. typical German companies. Then, this is just a small model they release on the side. If that’s your benchmark, they released somewhat recently Voxtral, Voxtral transcribe, their OCR model, and Leanstral. I don’t think you can get much insight on their culture from this kind of release.
- gspr 2mo ago
  Ugh. There's nothing inherently European about Chat Control. It's a dumb proposal, and it's European. Any free society has a bunch of dumb proposals. Nor is there anything inherently European about the AI Act. But that one I wouldn't even call dumb. At times misguided and confused, perhaps, but some of its core principles are valuable.
- deleted 2mo ago
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- tomjen3 2mo ago
  There's a world of a difference between being required to censor something by an entity outside of you and being able to censor something of your own and it's not just theoretical. Wanna run your own forum dedicated to Bluey? This will be useful. If its made well then using it to run a "porn appreciators strict no politics" forum (probably shouldn't be the same as the Bluey forum) is useful. Being forced or pressured by an outside entity to not allow debates about suicide on your forum — that's a no-good, strict no-no situation. This AI enhances individuals' ability and what normal people can do. It does not diminish it.
mcintyre1994 2mo ago
> filter for “offensive” content, and boost it or collate it into a newsletter/email blast for people of culture. I think that's the main service that xAI provide for X.
kergonath 2mo ago
> The great problem is in a few years of this that market won’t be worth anything. To be fair, we don’t know how much resources they put into this and how much of a distraction it was. If it was quick enough to train or fine tune and it brings them valuable experience for the next models, it could well be worth it in the long run even if there is no direct successor.
- pebbly_bread 2mo ago
  Also, it sounds like the kind of thing that sells. Any company with a customer support chat is a potential user of this model, any large company may be interested in getting a mistral installed set-up for handling without needing to send client info over the web. Installing those kinds of local systems seems to be what butters Mistral's bread at the moment.
cyanydeez 2mo ago
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- mosura 2mo ago
  The bad words police are the actual authoritarian nutjobs. That is the problem.
  - cyanydeez 2mo ago
    [flagged]
  - bigfudge 2mo ago
    Not the masked cops shooting people in the streets then?
inigyou 2mo ago
Business is about satisfying the market right now, not in a few years.

by mosura 2mo ago

petcat 2mo ago

> they do at least know what the market near them says they want right now It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. I guess they know that the EU AI Act, Chat Control, etc are going to cause a lot of companies to need this kind of compliance.

lava_pidgeon 2mo ago
Some of the best social media is heavily moderate. This includes HN and r/credible defense . With a Quiet transparent and cheap LLM I imagine a social media website where you can have good discussion about everything around the world it would be a game changer and on my to-do list.
- petcat 2mo ago
  > Some of the best social media is heavily moderate Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Not AI chat bots following a rules engine.
  - winwang 2mo ago
    Wouldn't discretion "just" be a really good rules engine?
  - colechristensen 2mo ago
    The bulk of moderation work is things which are easy and obvious. The correct way to moderate is automation with certainty falling back to humans with discretion. The new frontier of moderation should be blocking illiterate comments, as in the commenter is replying as though they didn't read or read and didn't understand.
  - baq 2mo ago
    > Heavily moderated by humans with discretion. Pretty sure both of the above have extensive automation in their moderation.
  - LunaSea 2mo ago
    No, they are moderated by arbitrary company moderation policies not humans with independent thoughts. AI can do exactly that.
  - tsss 2mo ago
    I'd rather be censored by an AI than a reddit mod.
cinntaile 2mo ago
Another commenter already mentioned that it's more likely a lack of compute and funding that forces their hand to focus on niche tasks.
kergonath 2mo ago
> It does seem to be a very European approach to AI that their flagship AI lab is just making models that do nothing other than monitor and moderate internet content. Well, first Mistral is French more than European. This might be a difficult distinction to make from the US but their approach is quite different from e.g. typical German companies. Then, this is just a small model they release on the side. If that’s your benchmark, they released somewhat recently Voxtral, Voxtral transcribe, their OCR model, and Leanstral. I don’t think you can get much insight on their culture from this kind of release.
gspr 2mo ago
Ugh. There's nothing inherently European about Chat Control. It's a dumb proposal, and it's European. Any free society has a bunch of dumb proposals. Nor is there anything inherently European about the AI Act. But that one I wouldn't even call dumb. At times misguided and confused, perhaps, but some of its core principles are valuable.
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tomjen3 2mo ago
There's a world of a difference between being required to censor something by an entity outside of you and being able to censor something of your own and it's not just theoretical. Wanna run your own forum dedicated to Bluey? This will be useful. If its made well then using it to run a "porn appreciators strict no politics" forum (probably shouldn't be the same as the Bluey forum) is useful. Being forced or pressured by an outside entity to not allow debates about suicide on your forum — that's a no-good, strict no-no situation. This AI enhances individuals' ability and what normal people can do. It does not diminish it.

mcintyre1994 2mo ago

> filter for “offensive” content, and boost it or collate it into a newsletter/email blast for people of culture. I think that's the main service that xAI provide for X.

kergonath 2mo ago

> The great problem is in a few years of this that market won’t be worth anything. To be fair, we don’t know how much resources they put into this and how much of a distraction it was. If it was quick enough to train or fine tune and it brings them valuable experience for the next models, it could well be worth it in the long run even if there is no direct successor.

pebbly_bread 2mo ago
Also, it sounds like the kind of thing that sells. Any company with a customer support chat is a potential user of this model, any large company may be interested in getting a mistral installed set-up for handling without needing to send client info over the web. Installing those kinds of local systems seems to be what butters Mistral's bread at the moment.

cyanydeez 2mo ago

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mosura 2mo ago
The bad words police are the actual authoritarian nutjobs. That is the problem.
- cyanydeez 2mo ago
  [flagged]
- bigfudge 2mo ago
  Not the masked cops shooting people in the streets then?

inigyou 2mo ago

Business is about satisfying the market right now, not in a few years.