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He-he.. Can you even roughly compare the scale, the violence, lack of any connection to the places bombed besides GREED? Of course not, and you know that.

by whosdat 2mo ago

SR2Z 2mo ago
Of the top 10 bloodiest wars in human history, 4 were fought by China. Only two were fought by the US and they were both world wars in which is US could not be described as anything but a "good" actor. Of those Chinese wars, the Taiping rebellion killed more people alone than America has in 250 years of war, and that happened while the US existed. No country is a saint, and China is capable of extreme violence and brutality. Yes I can compare the scale and violence; China does not come out looking great when I do. All states are born in violence and will use it to maintain their power and further their goals. China is an ancient and inherently powerful country which was committing atrocities before the US even existed. It has geopolitical ambitions and will use the tools at its disposal to achieve them.
- whosdat 2mo ago
  You mix today's China with imperial China, ignore the role the west played in China wars.. You ignore the recent Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Ucraine (hadn't it been for you, there would be no war), Iraq, Syria, and then the less recent ones. You devastated Iran on base of a hypothesis, a country at the other side of the globe. No, it is you who start wars today, sure of your impunity as your country leaders like to brag, sure that technology will always keep you safe no matter what you do. There is no other country which has 700 military bases around the world (did you ask what the people there think about your bases?), claiming "it is not an empire", when of course it is. No, it is definitely you who are the agressor, not China, geopolitics or not.
  - SR2Z 2mo ago
    > You mix today's China with imperial China, ignore the role the west played in China wars.. Shall I find the stats on how many people died during the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward, or would you accuse me of spouting capitalist propaganda? > Ucraine (hadn't it been for you, there would be no war) LMAO good luck with that take - Putin is just a misunderstood teddy bear, bombing power plants and heating infrastructure in the winter is self-defense!
    - whosdat 2mo ago
      Note that you speak, here and in the post before, of internal wars, these were not wars of expansion (as far as I know), while yours definitely are (placing your bases is just the most prominent sign of this, subservience of your "allies" is another, and there is more of course). As to Ukraine: had the west respected the Minsk agreements, addressing the very real Russia's security concerns, giving an autonomy, even limited, to Donbass (language, education, UN forces for example instead of the nationalists goons kidnapping and murdering "traitors"), there would be no war, and Ukraine, except Crimea, would remain one political entity. This is just a fact, there was no interest whatsoever even for Putin to start a war, even given the exaggerated estimate of Russia's military capabilities, despite of all the "imperial ambitions" which your propaganda was "seeing". Simply because of the very close ties between the Russian people and Ucranians (there are millions and millions of "mixed" families, plenty of Russian people have relatives in Ukraine and vice versa, a lot of Ukranians living in Russia and vice versa, large part of Ukranians still speak between themselves in Russian, even today, the war would ruin much of it, as it indeed did, all that your propaganda "did not see").
      - mopsi 2mo ago
        This greatests hits compilation of a Russian troll factory has become awfully stale.
        whosdat 2mo ago
        It is not "greatest hits", it is simply a view much closer to truth than the western (US) version of events. But most counterarguments I have ever seen on HN is the "Russian troll" labels, bans and shadow bans of various sorts, and bad faith comments from "dang" to which then there is no possibility to reply. That's how things stand.
        mopsi 2mo ago
        > It is not "greatest hits", it is simply a view much closer to truth than the western (US) version of events. No, it is the political equivalent of Viagra-advertising copypastas that litter unmaintained Blogspot and Wordpress blogs. The lowest tier of garbage. Why do you expect anyone to take this seriously? Nobody takes seriously Hitler's speeches about how everyone was taking advantage of Germany, and mistreating Germans, and how Germany was "forced" to wage a "defensive war".

He-he.. Can you even roughly compare the scale, the violence, lack of any connection to the places bombed besides GREED? Of course not, and you know that.

by whosdat 2mo ago

He-he.. Can you even roughly compare the scale, the violence, lack of any connection to the places bombed besides GREED? Of course not, and you know that.

SR2Z 2mo ago

Of the top 10 bloodiest wars in human history, 4 were fought by China. Only two were fought by the US and they were both world wars in which is US could not be described as anything but a "good" actor. Of those Chinese wars, the Taiping rebellion killed more people alone than America has in 250 years of war, and that happened while the US existed. No country is a saint, and China is capable of extreme violence and brutality. Yes I can compare the scale and violence; China does not come out looking great when I do. All states are born in violence and will use it to maintain their power and further their goals. China is an ancient and inherently powerful country which was committing atrocities before the US even existed. It has geopolitical ambitions and will use the tools at its disposal to achieve them.

whosdat 2mo ago
You mix today's China with imperial China, ignore the role the west played in China wars.. You ignore the recent Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Ucraine (hadn't it been for you, there would be no war), Iraq, Syria, and then the less recent ones. You devastated Iran on base of a hypothesis, a country at the other side of the globe. No, it is you who start wars today, sure of your impunity as your country leaders like to brag, sure that technology will always keep you safe no matter what you do. There is no other country which has 700 military bases around the world (did you ask what the people there think about your bases?), claiming "it is not an empire", when of course it is. No, it is definitely you who are the agressor, not China, geopolitics or not.
- SR2Z 2mo ago
  > You mix today's China with imperial China, ignore the role the west played in China wars.. Shall I find the stats on how many people died during the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap Forward, or would you accuse me of spouting capitalist propaganda? > Ucraine (hadn't it been for you, there would be no war) LMAO good luck with that take - Putin is just a misunderstood teddy bear, bombing power plants and heating infrastructure in the winter is self-defense!
  - whosdat 2mo ago
    Note that you speak, here and in the post before, of internal wars, these were not wars of expansion (as far as I know), while yours definitely are (placing your bases is just the most prominent sign of this, subservience of your "allies" is another, and there is more of course). As to Ukraine: had the west respected the Minsk agreements, addressing the very real Russia's security concerns, giving an autonomy, even limited, to Donbass (language, education, UN forces for example instead of the nationalists goons kidnapping and murdering "traitors"), there would be no war, and Ukraine, except Crimea, would remain one political entity. This is just a fact, there was no interest whatsoever even for Putin to start a war, even given the exaggerated estimate of Russia's military capabilities, despite of all the "imperial ambitions" which your propaganda was "seeing". Simply because of the very close ties between the Russian people and Ucranians (there are millions and millions of "mixed" families, plenty of Russian people have relatives in Ukraine and vice versa, a lot of Ukranians living in Russia and vice versa, large part of Ukranians still speak between themselves in Russian, even today, the war would ruin much of it, as it indeed did, all that your propaganda "did not see").
    - mopsi 2mo ago
      This greatests hits compilation of a Russian troll factory has become awfully stale.
      - whosdat 2mo ago
        It is not "greatest hits", it is simply a view much closer to truth than the western (US) version of events. But most counterarguments I have ever seen on HN is the "Russian troll" labels, bans and shadow bans of various sorts, and bad faith comments from "dang" to which then there is no possibility to reply. That's how things stand.
        mopsi 2mo ago
        > It is not "greatest hits", it is simply a view much closer to truth than the western (US) version of events. No, it is the political equivalent of Viagra-advertising copypastas that litter unmaintained Blogspot and Wordpress blogs. The lowest tier of garbage. Why do you expect anyone to take this seriously? Nobody takes seriously Hitler's speeches about how everyone was taking advantage of Germany, and mistreating Germans, and how Germany was "forced" to wage a "defensive war".