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remember that time all of the frontier AI labs trained their models on copyrighted material and no one batted an eyelid? If they can do that, I don't see why I

remember that time all of the frontier AI labs trained their models on copyrighted material and no one batted an eyelid? If they can do that, I don't see why I can't back up my CD's and DVDs or digital purchases with digital copies sourced from the high seas. If buying isn't owning...

saghm 2mo ago
The obvious risk is that you don't have nearly as much budget to spend on lawyers if someone does come after you for it. The copyright system tends to disproportionately punish small players and not punish larger ones.
- queenkjuul 2mo ago
  Personal backup copies are fully legal, RIAA and MPA admit as much on their own websites; this was settled back in the VHS and cassette tape era
  - saghm 2mo ago
    The part I was responding to was "with digital copies sourced from the high seas". The premise that they were responding to was if the only domestically available media playing devices required subscriptions. It's not clear why the assumption would be that getting content from arbitrary international online sources would be something that isn't also sanctioned in this scenario. That doesn't mean the entire scenario is likely, but if that's the objection, then why reply to me and not the original comment proposing it?
    - queenkjuul 2mo ago
      I replied to you because my point is that it's established law that they cannot come after you for a backup of a title you own, and even the rights holders admit that. Selling machines that require subscriptions to operate doesn't change the settled law about having backups of things you bought.
- Grimburger 2mo ago
  The lawyers cost a lot more than what you are going to get back from GP in a copyright lawsuit.
  - saghm 2mo ago
    That doesn't seem to have stopped any prosecutions for piracy in the past
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      It actually did. There weren't that many, they were just high profile news at the time. And most of them either lost or recovered minimal damages. There was no actual $250,000 payment for downloading an MP3. That's why the industry stopped doing it and now only targets distribution sites.
      - autoexec 2mo ago
        The RIAA/MPA still goes after individuals, but they target them with settlement offers to avoid going to court. 3k and an admission of guilt is a lot less than it would cost to get a lawyer and fight back in court so people do pay them, including completely innocent people since the companies who spam out DMCA notices don't care all that much about accuracy. They've also been going after ISPs and extracting money from them for no reason, but after losing the Cox case, that might not end up being worth it to them.
- dd8601fn 2mo ago
  How and why does anyone “come after you” for backing up your own BluRays, though? Assuming you’re not redistributing, of course, which is another thing entirely.
  - saghm 2mo ago
    You seem to have missed this part: > digital copies sourced from the high seas
- inigyou 2mo ago
  They can't come after us all. We outnumber them. Also we have disk encryption now. Admit to nothing.
inigyou 2mo ago
"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." We've all heard this. But let's not forget that recently, some important representative of Microsoft went and told some important politicians, that buying is stealing. Yes. She said that buying is stealing. Buying the game and playing multiplayer on your own server is stealing, more specifically. So if buying is stealing, why not pirate?

saghm 2mo ago

The obvious risk is that you don't have nearly as much budget to spend on lawyers if someone does come after you for it. The copyright system tends to disproportionately punish small players and not punish larger ones.

queenkjuul 2mo ago
Personal backup copies are fully legal, RIAA and MPA admit as much on their own websites; this was settled back in the VHS and cassette tape era
- saghm 2mo ago
  The part I was responding to was "with digital copies sourced from the high seas". The premise that they were responding to was if the only domestically available media playing devices required subscriptions. It's not clear why the assumption would be that getting content from arbitrary international online sources would be something that isn't also sanctioned in this scenario. That doesn't mean the entire scenario is likely, but if that's the objection, then why reply to me and not the original comment proposing it?
  - queenkjuul 2mo ago
    I replied to you because my point is that it's established law that they cannot come after you for a backup of a title you own, and even the rights holders admit that. Selling machines that require subscriptions to operate doesn't change the settled law about having backups of things you bought.
Grimburger 2mo ago
The lawyers cost a lot more than what you are going to get back from GP in a copyright lawsuit.
- saghm 2mo ago
  That doesn't seem to have stopped any prosecutions for piracy in the past
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    It actually did. There weren't that many, they were just high profile news at the time. And most of them either lost or recovered minimal damages. There was no actual $250,000 payment for downloading an MP3. That's why the industry stopped doing it and now only targets distribution sites.
    - autoexec 2mo ago
      The RIAA/MPA still goes after individuals, but they target them with settlement offers to avoid going to court. 3k and an admission of guilt is a lot less than it would cost to get a lawyer and fight back in court so people do pay them, including completely innocent people since the companies who spam out DMCA notices don't care all that much about accuracy. They've also been going after ISPs and extracting money from them for no reason, but after losing the Cox case, that might not end up being worth it to them.
dd8601fn 2mo ago
How and why does anyone “come after you” for backing up your own BluRays, though? Assuming you’re not redistributing, of course, which is another thing entirely.
- saghm 2mo ago
  You seem to have missed this part: > digital copies sourced from the high seas
inigyou 2mo ago
They can't come after us all. We outnumber them. Also we have disk encryption now. Admit to nothing.

inigyou 2mo ago

"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." We've all heard this. But let's not forget that recently, some important representative of Microsoft went and told some important politicians, that buying is stealing. Yes. She said that buying is stealing. Buying the game and playing multiplayer on your own server is stealing, more specifically. So if buying is stealing, why not pirate?