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Many years ago I had a job offer in UK and a friend who was already living there who was very keen on me moving there. Honestly every single time there is news

by LtWorf 3mo ago

Many years ago I had a job offer in UK and a friend who was already living there who was very keen on me moving there. Honestly every single time there is news about UK, I am glad I didn't take the offer. Then again, me being already not very enthusiastic about the place had a role in my decision.

gambiting 3mo ago
I mean, it's all a matter of perspective and where you are coming from. Like, I could easily say that literally any piece of news coming from the US makes me not want to move there no matter how much money you pay me. But at the end of the day, it's just news. It's like that whole panic about London being the most surveiled city in the world with the most cameras per capita in the world - and of course neglecting to mention that most of these cameras are in private hands and police don't have access to them. Get your car or bike stolen in London and discover that no, the police cannot just track them street by street like in James Bond. I literally had someone ask me the other day if it's safe to go to London. Like, to visit as a tourist. We've reached some level of absurdity that is almost comedic, but that's what news does to people.
- LtWorf 3mo ago
  But hold a sign against the king and find out that the police has all the necessary information to find and arrest you :)
  - gambiting 3mo ago
    You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King? Yeah, that shouldn't have happened and courts have generally agreed that it was a police overreach. But I can assure you that you can go around london protesting the King with whatever banner you want and you won't get arrested - in fact people do daily with no consequences. And don't get me wrong - some of the laws around this are insane. But flattening the entire country to focus on one issue is like...not exactly fair? It's like me saying I won't ever move to Sweden because your public sector employees are required to report suspected illegal immigrants(even UK doesn't go that far!). The "oh I won't take a job in the UK because someone got arrested protesting the king" is a stance, for sure - I just don't know if any country in the world would meet your high moral standard.
    - LtWorf 3mo ago
      > You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King? I mean like those who asked for the permit to hold a protest, got the permit and then got arrested anyway… You'd think it was NK and instead…
      - gambiting 3mo ago
        Not heard of that one. >>You'd think it was NK I mean, only someone who knows literally nothing about either the UK or NK would think that, but I guess on the internet you are free to think anything you want.
        LtWorf 3mo ago
        > Not heard of that one. gambiting didn't hear of that one! It's all fine!
        gambiting 3mo ago
        I just said I haven't heard about it - anything beyond that is your own interpretation. I thought I was very explicit in my previous comments that things are definitely _not_ fine.
happymellon 3mo ago
Because Palantir have government contracts? Seriously? You claim to be in Sweden, then you should surely know that Palantir are very much in bed with the government there including police monitoring.
- LtWorf 3mo ago
  At least you don't get arrested for protesting in the streets in sweden, unlike UK…
  - happymellon 3mo ago
    Keep moving those goal posts! https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zAvve4/palestinademonstration-stoppat-i-centrala-stockholm https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zAvve4/palestinademonst... Getting arrested because you protested about the wrong subject in the wrong place and didn't disperse because of not having the right licence?
    - LtWorf 3mo ago
      But, I'm talking about an event that had prior authorisation in UK… it seems it's you who doesn't fit the original goalposts?
      - happymellon 3mo ago
        Not what you said. > At least you don't get arrested for protesting in the streets in sweden, unlike UK… People protesting in the street in Sweden are arrested. It is a direct rebuttal to your statement. If you want to add additional provisos after you are demonstrably wrong go ahead, but it does make you less serious.

by LtWorf 3mo ago

gambiting 3mo ago

I mean, it's all a matter of perspective and where you are coming from. Like, I could easily say that literally any piece of news coming from the US makes me not want to move there no matter how much money you pay me. But at the end of the day, it's just news. It's like that whole panic about London being the most surveiled city in the world with the most cameras per capita in the world - and of course neglecting to mention that most of these cameras are in private hands and police don't have access to them. Get your car or bike stolen in London and discover that no, the police cannot just track them street by street like in James Bond. I literally had someone ask me the other day if it's safe to go to London. Like, to visit as a tourist. We've reached some level of absurdity that is almost comedic, but that's what news does to people.

LtWorf 3mo ago
But hold a sign against the king and find out that the police has all the necessary information to find and arrest you :)
- gambiting 3mo ago
  You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King? Yeah, that shouldn't have happened and courts have generally agreed that it was a police overreach. But I can assure you that you can go around london protesting the King with whatever banner you want and you won't get arrested - in fact people do daily with no consequences. And don't get me wrong - some of the laws around this are insane. But flattening the entire country to focus on one issue is like...not exactly fair? It's like me saying I won't ever move to Sweden because your public sector employees are required to report suspected illegal immigrants(even UK doesn't go that far!). The "oh I won't take a job in the UK because someone got arrested protesting the king" is a stance, for sure - I just don't know if any country in the world would meet your high moral standard.
  - LtWorf 3mo ago
    > You mean like those few people arrested for disturbing peace during the Queen's funeral/coronation of the King? I mean like those who asked for the permit to hold a protest, got the permit and then got arrested anyway… You'd think it was NK and instead…
    - gambiting 3mo ago
      Not heard of that one. >>You'd think it was NK I mean, only someone who knows literally nothing about either the UK or NK would think that, but I guess on the internet you are free to think anything you want.
      - LtWorf 3mo ago
        > Not heard of that one. gambiting didn't hear of that one! It's all fine!
        gambiting 3mo ago
        I just said I haven't heard about it - anything beyond that is your own interpretation. I thought I was very explicit in my previous comments that things are definitely _not_ fine.

happymellon 3mo ago

Because Palantir have government contracts? Seriously? You claim to be in Sweden, then you should surely know that Palantir are very much in bed with the government there including police monitoring.

LtWorf 3mo ago
At least you don't get arrested for protesting in the streets in sweden, unlike UK…
- happymellon 3mo ago
  Keep moving those goal posts! https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zAvve4/palestinademonstration-stoppat-i-centrala-stockholm https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zAvve4/palestinademonst... Getting arrested because you protested about the wrong subject in the wrong place and didn't disperse because of not having the right licence?
  - LtWorf 3mo ago
    But, I'm talking about an event that had prior authorisation in UK… it seems it's you who doesn't fit the original goalposts?
    - happymellon 3mo ago
      Not what you said. > At least you don't get arrested for protesting in the streets in sweden, unlike UK… People protesting in the street in Sweden are arrested. It is a direct rebuttal to your statement. If you want to add additional provisos after you are demonstrably wrong go ahead, but it does make you less serious.