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Sorry, you’re just uncultured if you don’t understand that understandings of different “foreign” cultures differ from place to place. I don’t even agree that t

Sorry, you’re just uncultured if you don’t understand that understandings of different “foreign” cultures differ from place to place. I don’t even agree that the use of the term “beef patty” should be regulated just so you don’t confuse a dumb tourist lol. Getting something you didn’t expect is part of travelling. But YOUR comment is too condescending and hypocritical to NOT draw attention to, and it’s a type of hypocrisy that’s endemic to North America. You tell someone from the US that you don’t know Spanish or some aspect of Mexican culture or something like that and if they’re snooty enough they’ll call you an uncultured trailer park hick or something. Put another 1,000–2,000 km of distance to the cultural reference you’re making and you’ll get blank stares. I live in a country that’s far further from the Caribbean, where it makes up an insignificant part of our vast multicultural landscape. Don’t act like I’m “uncultured” due to something that you’re much more likely to know about due to your geographic proximity.

roncesvalles 2mo ago
1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pretty sure a good proportion of even Torontonians don't know about the Jamaican patty, and I'd call them uncultured too. There's nothing wrong about being uncultured, it's not the end of the world. You can even work to improve it.
- elros 2mo ago
  If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from the Amazon basin region? I wouldn't consider you uncultured for not knowing much about it, but orders of magnitude more people eat food from the Amazon basin than Jamaican food.
  - elros 2mo ago
    That being said I'll gladly accept Jamaican restaurant recommendations in Taiwan or close to Berlin.
  - roncesvalles 2mo ago
    >In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. Since you know about it, the label doesn't apply to you, regardless of how.
    - elros 2mo ago
      Alright, buddy :-)
    - Barbing 2mo ago
      That’s not very fair. Can’t pretend for a second they or the many like them haven’t seen news about 1985 Canada?
- xp84 2mo ago
  Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at once.
  - roncesvalles 2mo ago
    >Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. >Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew, Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtail stew is a popular Jamaican delicacy.
    - _carbyau_ 2mo ago
      > No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. Man, I so don't care about food. I pay attention to it enough that it doesn't hurt me and gives me the nutrients I need. 193? Top five? 10-15? 50-75? I could not care less to have a standard regarding knowledge about cuisines. I get what food I can from the options I have available to me and use the words on the menu or out of the staff's mouth. Edit: stick to the point
    - xp84 2mo ago
      You’re asserting that Jamaican is in the top 15? That’s quite the claim.
    - dataflow 2mo ago
      > You should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. Leaving aside how ridiculous these numbers you pulled out of nowhere are, what godsent culturedness list are you using that is somehow so common knowledge and that yet the rest of us uncultured boneheads somehow missed the memo for? Even searching this now, and no disrespect whatsoever to Jamaica, I neither see "Jamaica" nor even "patty" listed in the top search result for the 100 top cuisines in the world [1]. For reference, they have Russian, Dutch, English, etc. listed, which (again, no disrespect intended) are the ones you often hear people complain/joke about as being bland. [1] https://www.tasteatlas.com/best/cuisines https://www.tasteatlas.com/best/cuisines

roncesvalles 2mo ago

1. Jamaican cuisine is fairly popular globally. 2. Patties are popular within Jamaican cuisine. It's not something very niche. I think my comment was perfectly fair. It's like not knowing what empanadas, samosas, shumai, or takoyaki are (and yes, one would be uncultured for not knowing any of these too). It betrays something about the cosmopolitan-ness of your life experiences. It's not even about geography. I'm pretty sure a good proportion of even Torontonians don't know about the Jamaican patty, and I'd call them uncultured too. There's nothing wrong about being uncultured, it's not the end of the world. You can even work to improve it.

elros 2mo ago
If we're going by anecdotes, let's add mine: I've lived in 4 continents, about 15 countries, I speak 6 languages, I hold a few citizenships, I consider myself fairly cultured and not only I've never eaten a Jamaican meat patty but I've also never seen one for sale. In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. How familiar are you with food from the Amazon basin region? I wouldn't consider you uncultured for not knowing much about it, but orders of magnitude more people eat food from the Amazon basin than Jamaican food.
- elros 2mo ago
  That being said I'll gladly accept Jamaican restaurant recommendations in Taiwan or close to Berlin.
- roncesvalles 2mo ago
  >In fact the only way I know about their existence is through watching news reports of what happened in Canada in 1985. Since you know about it, the label doesn't apply to you, regardless of how.
  - elros 2mo ago
    Alright, buddy :-)
  - Barbing 2mo ago
    That’s not very fair. Can’t pretend for a second they or the many like them haven’t seen news about 1985 Canada?
xp84 2mo ago
Obligatory https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/ "The average North American probably only knows about Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat!" "And Oxtail Stew, of course." "Of course!" Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? If not, which ones are OK to be ignorant of? Clearly Jamaica's a must-have, but I'd like the full list so I can remediate the issue at once.
- roncesvalles 2mo ago
  >Does one need to know a variety of dishes from each of the 193 UN-recognized states' cuisines to not be uncultured? No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. >Ackee and Saltfish, and Curry Goat! And Oxtail Stew, Yes... I would expect one to know these. At least that oxtail stew is a popular Jamaican delicacy.
  - _carbyau_ 2mo ago
    > No, but you should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. That's only about 50-75 dishes; many individual restaurants have bigger menus than that. Man, I so don't care about food. I pay attention to it enough that it doesn't hurt me and gives me the nutrients I need. 193? Top five? 10-15? 50-75? I could not care less to have a standard regarding knowledge about cuisines. I get what food I can from the options I have available to me and use the words on the menu or out of the staff's mouth. Edit: stick to the point
  - xp84 2mo ago
    You’re asserting that Jamaican is in the top 15? That’s quite the claim.
  - dataflow 2mo ago
    > You should know the top 5 dishes of the 10-15 most popular cuisines of the world, at least. Leaving aside how ridiculous these numbers you pulled out of nowhere are, what godsent culturedness list are you using that is somehow so common knowledge and that yet the rest of us uncultured boneheads somehow missed the memo for? Even searching this now, and no disrespect whatsoever to Jamaica, I neither see "Jamaica" nor even "patty" listed in the top search result for the 100 top cuisines in the world [1]. For reference, they have Russian, Dutch, English, etc. listed, which (again, no disrespect intended) are the ones you often hear people complain/joke about as being bland. [1] https://www.tasteatlas.com/best/cuisines https://www.tasteatlas.com/best/cuisines