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> but I’ve noticed Fable to be quite a big step up there what did you notice ?

sothatsit 3mo ago
Fable is much better at handling nuance. Opus/GPT 5.6 Sol are much more likely to miss the point you are trying to make, emphasise the wrong thing, exaggerate the importance of unimportant details, or introduce contradictions. That said, Fable is still not a great writer, largely driven by it not knowing what it should exclude, and it still having the usual LLM-isms. But it’s better.
- alasano 3mo ago
  That's really what got everyone hooked in the first place. 5.6 Sol is great but there's a depth to the understanding that Fable exhibits that's unique to it currently. Can I truly quantify this? I don't think so. Just that I spend a ton of time with various models and a certain point it's just a personal impression or a gut feeling. In the days after Fable first came out I increased the amount of parallel planning of tasks that I was doing by 2-3x because it felt like I didn't need to be paranoid due to that handling of nuance.
J_Shelby_J 3mo ago
I've noticed that out of all LLMs I've ever used that Fable is the MOST LLM; the text it produces is abomination. It's impressive how much I hate it. It is such an awful writer - it assumes the reader has zero context and therefore gives every single bit of context and detail - which is nice if you're writing a legal document I suppose. But it uses, niche, $10 words to describe every facet of everything it's discussing. I had it re-write some docs and I ended up rewriting 1k lines of of Fable torment nexus text to around 100. Because guess what, someone reading highly technical docs has a knowledge base that allows us to compress the topic into a much tighter representation.
- alasano 3mo ago
  Just praised Fable in another comment but what you're saying is also insanely true. I literally roll my eyes and cringe quite often at its output pretty much daily. I don't like to overload my sessions with skills but I've been using a "write-normal" skill I made just to have it rewrite outputs that particularly piss me off. https://gist.github.com/alasano/1c734fa055231a5defcfd213217e02b4 https://gist.github.com/alasano/1c734fa055231a5defcfd213217e... I'm sure there's a million of these skills out there, but this one is tailored to the stuff that makes me mad in particular.
  - flaburgan 3mo ago
    "the test is whether the sentence would work as a pull quote or a LinkedIn post. If it would, rewrite it until it would not." LinkedIn really became the default garbage example

Fable is much better at handling nuance. Opus/GPT 5.6 Sol are much more likely to miss the point you are trying to make, emphasise the wrong thing, exaggerate the importance of unimportant details, or introduce contradictions. That said, Fable is still not a great writer, largely driven by it not knowing what it should exclude, and it still having the usual LLM-isms. But it’s better.

alasano 3mo ago
That's really what got everyone hooked in the first place. 5.6 Sol is great but there's a depth to the understanding that Fable exhibits that's unique to it currently. Can I truly quantify this? I don't think so. Just that I spend a ton of time with various models and a certain point it's just a personal impression or a gut feeling. In the days after Fable first came out I increased the amount of parallel planning of tasks that I was doing by 2-3x because it felt like I didn't need to be paranoid due to that handling of nuance.

J_Shelby_J 3mo ago

I've noticed that out of all LLMs I've ever used that Fable is the MOST LLM; the text it produces is abomination. It's impressive how much I hate it. It is such an awful writer - it assumes the reader has zero context and therefore gives every single bit of context and detail - which is nice if you're writing a legal document I suppose. But it uses, niche, $10 words to describe every facet of everything it's discussing. I had it re-write some docs and I ended up rewriting 1k lines of of Fable torment nexus text to around 100. Because guess what, someone reading highly technical docs has a knowledge base that allows us to compress the topic into a much tighter representation.

alasano 3mo ago
Just praised Fable in another comment but what you're saying is also insanely true. I literally roll my eyes and cringe quite often at its output pretty much daily. I don't like to overload my sessions with skills but I've been using a "write-normal" skill I made just to have it rewrite outputs that particularly piss me off. https://gist.github.com/alasano/1c734fa055231a5defcfd213217e02b4 https://gist.github.com/alasano/1c734fa055231a5defcfd213217e... I'm sure there's a million of these skills out there, but this one is tailored to the stuff that makes me mad in particular.
- flaburgan 3mo ago
  "the test is whether the sentence would work as a pull quote or a LinkedIn post. If it would, rewrite it until it would not." LinkedIn really became the default garbage example