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I am aware the US has operated in this reliance on for profit contractor model for a very long time. I just think it is stupid, costly, and only really serves t

by asdff 2mo ago

I am aware the US has operated in this reliance on for profit contractor model for a very long time. I just think it is stupid, costly, and only really serves to make connected individuals extremely rich, at the cost of wider innovation potential. People balk at the cost of large government in house projects like the manhattan project, well imagine that cost if the government had to pay contractor rates on that project instead of doing it in house. Twice as high perhaps given how these contracts usually are pricing in cost overruns in addition to profit margin?

panick21_ 2mo ago
Have you actually looked up the history of government owning its own defense contractors? Please tell me you have actually learned about this history. Because if you think having things like this be nationalized, I suggest you read some of that history. > People balk at the cost of large government in house projects like the manhattan project, well imagine that cost if the government had to pay contractor rates on that project instead of doing it in house. If you were actually serious, and not a political shill then you wouldn't pick one random example without anything to compare it to. You are just making assertions based on literally nothing. And if you knew something about SpaceX and NASA you would know that NASA own internal investigation suggested that actually NASA should be in the business of doing basic things that companies are perfectly good at doing. The Manhatten project was something large and very new on the cutting edge of science. Launching rockets in the 1960s was that, it isn't anymore. Instead of the government doing everything, allow fair contracting and companies can compete on offering the government a cheap price. > how these contracts usually are pricing in cost overruns Yeah I mean governments don't have cost overruns, I mean the great leader said there wouldn't be any, so we know they can't exist.
- asdff 2mo ago
  Once again, profit is a cost.
  - inemesitaffia 2mo ago
    It may actually just show a gap in knowledge. I'm sure you've heard of trade secrets before
    - asdff 2mo ago
      Not sure how trade secrets are dismissing the point of profit being a cost.
      - inemesitaffia 2mo ago
        They dismiss them because if you know how something is made and your competitors don't, you always have a market edge. I consider the RD-180 engine from Russia better than Merlins from SpaceX, for example. You can charge more or make higher margins at the market clearing price. I thought everyone has done at least one semester of microeconomics at high school level, but the internet challenges my assumption frequently.

by asdff 2mo ago

panick21_ 2mo ago

Have you actually looked up the history of government owning its own defense contractors? Please tell me you have actually learned about this history. Because if you think having things like this be nationalized, I suggest you read some of that history. > People balk at the cost of large government in house projects like the manhattan project, well imagine that cost if the government had to pay contractor rates on that project instead of doing it in house. If you were actually serious, and not a political shill then you wouldn't pick one random example without anything to compare it to. You are just making assertions based on literally nothing. And if you knew something about SpaceX and NASA you would know that NASA own internal investigation suggested that actually NASA should be in the business of doing basic things that companies are perfectly good at doing. The Manhatten project was something large and very new on the cutting edge of science. Launching rockets in the 1960s was that, it isn't anymore. Instead of the government doing everything, allow fair contracting and companies can compete on offering the government a cheap price. > how these contracts usually are pricing in cost overruns Yeah I mean governments don't have cost overruns, I mean the great leader said there wouldn't be any, so we know they can't exist.

asdff 2mo ago
Once again, profit is a cost.
- inemesitaffia 2mo ago
  It may actually just show a gap in knowledge. I'm sure you've heard of trade secrets before
  - asdff 2mo ago
    Not sure how trade secrets are dismissing the point of profit being a cost.
    - inemesitaffia 2mo ago
      They dismiss them because if you know how something is made and your competitors don't, you always have a market edge. I consider the RD-180 engine from Russia better than Merlins from SpaceX, for example. You can charge more or make higher margins at the market clearing price. I thought everyone has done at least one semester of microeconomics at high school level, but the internet challenges my assumption frequently.