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This is the most Euro commie thing I've heard in a long while. Sure, get rid of factory farms and CAFO's, but I see nothing wrong with raising animals on famil

This is the most Euro commie thing I've heard in a long while. Sure, get rid of factory farms and CAFO's, but I see nothing wrong with raising animals on family farms where they eat a nutritious diet in line with what they evolved to eat. Grass for cows, pasture and bugs for poultry, silvopasture for pigs. Anyone who wants to go vegan for ethical or environmental reasons is fine, but I hate this idea that all of us have to fall in line with your crazy ideas.

softwaredoug 2mo ago
Do whatever you want. I'm just sharing my personal choices based on what I've learned. What could be more American than that? :)
alpineman 2mo ago
The problem is, you have to choose. Do you really think people can continue to eat meat 2-3 times a day, purely supplied by family farms where animals are able to roam free? The reality is that the only way to feed people's insatiable demand for meat is to use factory farms. You can't factory farm without causing suffering to animals, and you can't factory farm without use of antibiotics, etc. Also you say, 'evolved to eat'. Do you think people were eating meat every day throughout human history? This started after WWII with mass agriculture and factory farming. That's why so many cultures have beans and rice as their primary dish: it's a perfectly balanced protein. If 'evolved to eat' is your primary concern then actually you should be eating meat like once or twice a month, max. Evolution doesn't happen in less than a century.
- nec4b 2mo ago
  > Do you think people were eating meat every day throughout human history? This started after WWII with mass agriculture and factory farming. That's why so many cultures have beans and rice as their primary dish: it's a perfectly balanced protein. Yes people were eating meat most of the human history, because farming was invented much much later. If you have ever been in a temperate forest which covered most of the area of current Europe, northern America and northern Asia you would notice there isn't really much to eat besides wild game.
triceratops 2mo ago
> I see nothing wrong with raising animals on family farms where they eat a nutritious diet in line with what they evolved to eat. Me either. It just means beef will become about 10x more expensive in places that don't have so much grassland or pastureland. Which is almost all of the places. You cool with that?

softwaredoug 2mo ago

Do whatever you want. I'm just sharing my personal choices based on what I've learned. What could be more American than that? :)

alpineman 2mo ago

The problem is, you have to choose. Do you really think people can continue to eat meat 2-3 times a day, purely supplied by family farms where animals are able to roam free? The reality is that the only way to feed people's insatiable demand for meat is to use factory farms. You can't factory farm without causing suffering to animals, and you can't factory farm without use of antibiotics, etc. Also you say, 'evolved to eat'. Do you think people were eating meat every day throughout human history? This started after WWII with mass agriculture and factory farming. That's why so many cultures have beans and rice as their primary dish: it's a perfectly balanced protein. If 'evolved to eat' is your primary concern then actually you should be eating meat like once or twice a month, max. Evolution doesn't happen in less than a century.

nec4b 2mo ago
> Do you think people were eating meat every day throughout human history? This started after WWII with mass agriculture and factory farming. That's why so many cultures have beans and rice as their primary dish: it's a perfectly balanced protein. Yes people were eating meat most of the human history, because farming was invented much much later. If you have ever been in a temperate forest which covered most of the area of current Europe, northern America and northern Asia you would notice there isn't really much to eat besides wild game.

triceratops 2mo ago

> I see nothing wrong with raising animals on family farms where they eat a nutritious diet in line with what they evolved to eat. Me either. It just means beef will become about 10x more expensive in places that don't have so much grassland or pastureland. Which is almost all of the places. You cool with that?