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> Just because I didn’t write it doesn’t mean it’s not my speech. Bruh. Yea it does. You’re throwing prompts into a non deterministic text generator. You exp

by lovich 2mo ago

> Just because I didn’t write it doesn’t mean it’s not my speech. Bruh. Yea it does. You’re throwing prompts into a non deterministic text generator. You explicitly are not making the speech.

iAMkenough 2mo ago
Is copying and pasting someone else’s words and publishing it on your website or personal profile not First Amendment protected speech?
- lovich 2mo ago
  You’re quoting someone else’s speech. The quotation is your speech, but the literal words were not. I’m actually fine with the idea that people are quoting LLMs but there’s this conflation I find many people where they treat the LLMs output as their own literal thoughts. The language around this distinction is clunky currently so if you meant the former point I agree, but I had interpreted the comment I was responding to as the latter.
  - mock-possum 2mo ago
    > The quotation is your speech, but the literal words were not ... I’m actually fine with the idea that people are quoting LLMs yeah this I agree with and am familiar with, and I guess I'm guilty of just assuming that this is what people are talking about when they say that LLM-generated stuff is their own speech - because, > people where they treat the LLMs output as their own literal thoughts just seems like a different issue altogether. lying about the provenance of something isn't a matter of speech, it's a matter of - I don't know, deception / dishonesty. It's like a separate issue. very interesting that we both sort of saw it different ways though.
tpmoney 2mo ago
If the EFF gives you a template email to send to your congress-critter to opposed some terrible spyware bill, isn’t that your “speech” for the purposes of the 1st amendment? It doesn’t matter that you personally didn’t pen the words, only that (as the political ads say) “[you are] lovich and [you] approve this message”. Why would LLM output be any different?
garkotipankaj 2mo ago
if someone asks their assistant to send you an email on their behalf, whose speech was it?
- garkotipankaj 2mo ago
  btw "non-deterministic text generator" also describes humans perfectly. if it didn't you'd be less stupid.
  - lovich 2mo ago
    > if it didn't you'd be less stupid. Hey, fuck you too buddy. And if you, as an executive with an assistant, asked the assistant to draft the speech and they added in something that got you in hot water later, I’d fully expect you as the executive to claim it was the assistants speech and in no way represented you or your firm.

by lovich 2mo ago

> Just because I didn’t write it doesn’t mean it’s not my speech. Bruh. Yea it does. You’re throwing prompts into a non deterministic text generator. You explicitly are not making the speech.

iAMkenough 2mo ago

Is copying and pasting someone else’s words and publishing it on your website or personal profile not First Amendment protected speech?

lovich 2mo ago
You’re quoting someone else’s speech. The quotation is your speech, but the literal words were not. I’m actually fine with the idea that people are quoting LLMs but there’s this conflation I find many people where they treat the LLMs output as their own literal thoughts. The language around this distinction is clunky currently so if you meant the former point I agree, but I had interpreted the comment I was responding to as the latter.
- mock-possum 2mo ago
  > The quotation is your speech, but the literal words were not ... I’m actually fine with the idea that people are quoting LLMs yeah this I agree with and am familiar with, and I guess I'm guilty of just assuming that this is what people are talking about when they say that LLM-generated stuff is their own speech - because, > people where they treat the LLMs output as their own literal thoughts just seems like a different issue altogether. lying about the provenance of something isn't a matter of speech, it's a matter of - I don't know, deception / dishonesty. It's like a separate issue. very interesting that we both sort of saw it different ways though.

tpmoney 2mo ago

If the EFF gives you a template email to send to your congress-critter to opposed some terrible spyware bill, isn’t that your “speech” for the purposes of the 1st amendment? It doesn’t matter that you personally didn’t pen the words, only that (as the political ads say) “[you are] lovich and [you] approve this message”. Why would LLM output be any different?

garkotipankaj 2mo ago

if someone asks their assistant to send you an email on their behalf, whose speech was it?

garkotipankaj 2mo ago
btw "non-deterministic text generator" also describes humans perfectly. if it didn't you'd be less stupid.
- lovich 2mo ago
  > if it didn't you'd be less stupid. Hey, fuck you too buddy. And if you, as an executive with an assistant, asked the assistant to draft the speech and they added in something that got you in hot water later, I’d fully expect you as the executive to claim it was the assistants speech and in no way represented you or your firm.