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This simply shows how bad apple's decision was to switch to their own solution before it was ready.

MalphasWats 14y ago
As many commenters have said, it wasn't necessarily Apple's choice to make the change, and they were bound to their own release schedule.
- jasonlotito 14y ago
  And as has been rehashed over and over, it was Apple's choice. They simply prioritized other things over Maps. Do not confuse not having a choice with choosing to wait until you were under constraints to make difficult choices.
  - MalphasWats 14y ago
    it's a fair point, however, the way I see it, they had 2 choices: Release at iOS 6, release at iOS 7. We don't know when they actually started working on the new maps app. Choosing to delay for another whole year would have been a bigger mistake in my opinion. Apple Maps has successfully got me everywhere I've asked it.
  - randomdata 14y ago
    Unless you are involved with Apple, we really don't know what choices they had. By all accounts their contracts with Google were set to expire, and they were in negotiations to renew. If those talks broke down and they did not have legal access to use Google data any longer, their hands were kind of tied.
    - jasonlotito 14y ago
      You don't need to be involved with Apple to know they had choices. They knowingly relied on Google, and instead of planning earlier, they waited until the last possible moment to start putting resources into their own version. They choose to rely on Google. They choose to enter those agreements. They choose to ignore maps for the first 5 years. They choose not to start planning to move away sooner. You act like they couldn't put any effort replacing Google until the last minute. It wasn't. They screwed up and released a crappy product from choices they made. End of story.
      - randomdata 14y ago
        Apple has acquired several mapping companies since 2009, so we can reasonably believe that they've been working on Apple Maps at least that long, and probably much longer. Perhaps even before the original iPhone release, given what we do know about Apple release schedules (they are generally long and drawn-out for new builds). Waiting to release the original iPhone until 2015 when Apple Maps was absolutely perfect would have been a choice, but not a reasonable one. Bootstrapping with Google's service was quite logical, and proved to be very successful. And Apple Maps really isn't that bad. Perhaps not Google Maps good, but better than what the iPhone had prior. It is still a major upgrade for iOS users, even for all its faults.
        jasonlotito 14y ago
        > so we can reasonably believe that they've been working on Apple Maps at least that long, I can also reasonably believe that they weren't serious about investing effort into it.
seiji 14y ago
Or it shows the effectiveness of a giant anti-apple PR machine present in the world.
- culshaw 14y ago
  Which was generated by Apple code? Round we go..
- TallGuyShort 14y ago
  Just as much as the success of the iPhone shows the effectiveness of a giant pro-apple PR machine present in the world.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Who is involved in these types of conspiracies anyway? Are there Android "fanboys" that short Apple stock and then go on the Internet and... do what exactly?
  - seiji 14y ago
    It'd like to introduce you to this crazy person (I can't tell if they are joking or not, but they followed up with even more crazy, so I don't think they are joking): http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4914414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4914414
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      I guess I don't really buy that that rhetoric is what caused "Apple Maps sucks" to be a meme for the last month and a half. I mean, are you saying millions of people were conned into thinking it was inferior to Google Maps?

As many commenters have said, it wasn't necessarily Apple's choice to make the change, and they were bound to their own release schedule.

jasonlotito 14y ago
And as has been rehashed over and over, it was Apple's choice. They simply prioritized other things over Maps. Do not confuse not having a choice with choosing to wait until you were under constraints to make difficult choices.
- MalphasWats 14y ago
  it's a fair point, however, the way I see it, they had 2 choices: Release at iOS 6, release at iOS 7. We don't know when they actually started working on the new maps app. Choosing to delay for another whole year would have been a bigger mistake in my opinion. Apple Maps has successfully got me everywhere I've asked it.
- randomdata 14y ago
  Unless you are involved with Apple, we really don't know what choices they had. By all accounts their contracts with Google were set to expire, and they were in negotiations to renew. If those talks broke down and they did not have legal access to use Google data any longer, their hands were kind of tied.
  - jasonlotito 14y ago
    You don't need to be involved with Apple to know they had choices. They knowingly relied on Google, and instead of planning earlier, they waited until the last possible moment to start putting resources into their own version. They choose to rely on Google. They choose to enter those agreements. They choose to ignore maps for the first 5 years. They choose not to start planning to move away sooner. You act like they couldn't put any effort replacing Google until the last minute. It wasn't. They screwed up and released a crappy product from choices they made. End of story.
    - randomdata 14y ago
      Apple has acquired several mapping companies since 2009, so we can reasonably believe that they've been working on Apple Maps at least that long, and probably much longer. Perhaps even before the original iPhone release, given what we do know about Apple release schedules (they are generally long and drawn-out for new builds). Waiting to release the original iPhone until 2015 when Apple Maps was absolutely perfect would have been a choice, but not a reasonable one. Bootstrapping with Google's service was quite logical, and proved to be very successful. And Apple Maps really isn't that bad. Perhaps not Google Maps good, but better than what the iPhone had prior. It is still a major upgrade for iOS users, even for all its faults.
      - jasonlotito 14y ago
        > so we can reasonably believe that they've been working on Apple Maps at least that long, I can also reasonably believe that they weren't serious about investing effort into it.

seiji 14y ago

Or it shows the effectiveness of a giant anti-apple PR machine present in the world.

culshaw 14y ago
Which was generated by Apple code? Round we go..
TallGuyShort 14y ago
Just as much as the success of the iPhone shows the effectiveness of a giant pro-apple PR machine present in the world.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
Who is involved in these types of conspiracies anyway? Are there Android "fanboys" that short Apple stock and then go on the Internet and... do what exactly?
- seiji 14y ago
  It'd like to introduce you to this crazy person (I can't tell if they are joking or not, but they followed up with even more crazy, so I don't think they are joking): http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4914414 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4914414
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    I guess I don't really buy that that rhetoric is what caused "Apple Maps sucks" to be a meme for the last month and a half. I mean, are you saying millions of people were conned into thinking it was inferior to Google Maps?