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Which tasks ? I don't believe your claims.

MichaelZuo 2mo ago
If you dont believe me… nobody is stopping you from testing various things on the same model? And if you dont have it already… then what could I possibly say that would motivate you to buy a used one to do the testing to confirm? Edit: And even on my ipad pro m2 doing literally nothing other than swiping to the app library often causes a visible stutter and lag for hundreds of miliseconds… so if you really think it’s flat out impossible to find consistently slower things on the much more complex macos… idk what to say.
- simlevesque 2mo ago
  Why should I need to do any testing ? I'm just going to keep on not believing you until you back up your claims. And your iPad example doesn't make sense at all, you compared 2 Macbooks and now you're talking about another OS altogether. > idk what to say. You could just tell us one example of something that's faster on your 2019 Macbook Pro 15 versus a M5 Macbook pro and how to reproduce it.
  - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
    If you dont ever intend to do any testing… then why would anyone care about what you believe or not? Why post random noise opining?
    - mthoms 2mo ago
      Since when did asking someone to give a single example to support their point become "noise"? How can they do any testing, if you refuse to tell them what to even look for?
      - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        Uh are you confused? I’m not the one claiming they refuse to test it, they are the ones who said so.
        spider-mario 2mo ago
        You are the one refusing to give any detail whatsoever (e.g. what task?) to substantiate your claim.
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        ? You’re not even replying to the relevant comment.
        mthoms 2mo ago
        Sure they are. You made this claim: > My base 2019 macbook pro 15 on Mojave is actually faster than new macbook pros today on some tasks. Then someone called your bluff and asked you to elaborate: > Which tasks ? I don't believe your claims. Yet, you still haven't answered the question. Why don't you just answer the question? Which tasks run faster on a 2019 MBP than a brand new MBP?
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        Edit: Nevermmind, not going to waste time on this.
        mthoms 2mo ago
        Tell us what to test.
  - dosisking 2mo ago
    > Why should I need to do any testing ? I'm just going to keep on not believing you until you back up your claims. And why should he care what you think, because you have already made up your mind and don't care at all about facts or the truth.
    - simlevesque 2mo ago
      What makes you think I don't care at all about facts or the truth ?
    - spider-mario 2mo ago
      On the contrary, they care enough about facts not to take a random, implausible and unsubstantiated claim at face value. Please don’t resort to Bulverism.
- spider-mario 2mo ago
  You’re shifting the burden of proof. You made a claim and refused to substantiate it in any way whatsoever.
  - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
    I’m not trying to prove anything…? I just don’t care that much either way about what others think if it’s adversarial, even if thousands of HN users come to this comment chain to opine about this or that macbook model. If you mean my claim that some team in Apple already knows about it, there’s literally no way to prove that to passing readers.
    - spider-mario 2mo ago
      > I’m not trying to prove anything…? That’s exactly the point. Why would you expect others to even entertain a vague claim like that if you give them no reason to find it plausible? “Just test it yourself” (test what?) i.e. “prove me right yourself” is not going to be very successful.
      - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        [flagged]
        spider-mario 2mo ago
        … Or perhaps I too would be interested to know what you allege is faster on your 2019 MacBook? Or was it only ever meant as “random noise opining” and nothing more?
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        Then why tack on some gibberish? Just for the heck of it? Frankly, I simply don’t believe in your genuineness enough to care about satisfying any requests.

If you dont believe me… nobody is stopping you from testing various things on the same model? And if you dont have it already… then what could I possibly say that would motivate you to buy a used one to do the testing to confirm? Edit: And even on my ipad pro m2 doing literally nothing other than swiping to the app library often causes a visible stutter and lag for hundreds of miliseconds… so if you really think it’s flat out impossible to find consistently slower things on the much more complex macos… idk what to say.

simlevesque 2mo ago
Why should I need to do any testing ? I'm just going to keep on not believing you until you back up your claims. And your iPad example doesn't make sense at all, you compared 2 Macbooks and now you're talking about another OS altogether. > idk what to say. You could just tell us one example of something that's faster on your 2019 Macbook Pro 15 versus a M5 Macbook pro and how to reproduce it.
- MichaelZuo 2mo ago
  If you dont ever intend to do any testing… then why would anyone care about what you believe or not? Why post random noise opining?
  - mthoms 2mo ago
    Since when did asking someone to give a single example to support their point become "noise"? How can they do any testing, if you refuse to tell them what to even look for?
    - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
      Uh are you confused? I’m not the one claiming they refuse to test it, they are the ones who said so.
      - spider-mario 2mo ago
        You are the one refusing to give any detail whatsoever (e.g. what task?) to substantiate your claim.
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        ? You’re not even replying to the relevant comment.
        mthoms 2mo ago
        Sure they are. You made this claim: > My base 2019 macbook pro 15 on Mojave is actually faster than new macbook pros today on some tasks. Then someone called your bluff and asked you to elaborate: > Which tasks ? I don't believe your claims. Yet, you still haven't answered the question. Why don't you just answer the question? Which tasks run faster on a 2019 MBP than a brand new MBP?
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        Edit: Nevermmind, not going to waste time on this.
      - mthoms 2mo ago
        Tell us what to test.
- dosisking 2mo ago
  > Why should I need to do any testing ? I'm just going to keep on not believing you until you back up your claims. And why should he care what you think, because you have already made up your mind and don't care at all about facts or the truth.
  - simlevesque 2mo ago
    What makes you think I don't care at all about facts or the truth ?
  - spider-mario 2mo ago
    On the contrary, they care enough about facts not to take a random, implausible and unsubstantiated claim at face value. Please don’t resort to Bulverism.
spider-mario 2mo ago
You’re shifting the burden of proof. You made a claim and refused to substantiate it in any way whatsoever.
- MichaelZuo 2mo ago
  I’m not trying to prove anything…? I just don’t care that much either way about what others think if it’s adversarial, even if thousands of HN users come to this comment chain to opine about this or that macbook model. If you mean my claim that some team in Apple already knows about it, there’s literally no way to prove that to passing readers.
  - spider-mario 2mo ago
    > I’m not trying to prove anything…? That’s exactly the point. Why would you expect others to even entertain a vague claim like that if you give them no reason to find it plausible? “Just test it yourself” (test what?) i.e. “prove me right yourself” is not going to be very successful.
    - MichaelZuo 2mo ago
      [flagged]
      - spider-mario 2mo ago
        … Or perhaps I too would be interested to know what you allege is faster on your 2019 MacBook? Or was it only ever meant as “random noise opining” and nothing more?
        MichaelZuo 2mo ago
        Then why tack on some gibberish? Just for the heck of it? Frankly, I simply don’t believe in your genuineness enough to care about satisfying any requests.