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Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. We get dedicated, compact machines like dishwashers an

Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. We get dedicated, compact machines like dishwashers and washing machine/dryers, that's it. Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum. If you want someone else to do household chores, hire someone. You can pay someone to do your house chores for years for the cost that these things will have initially.

ghaff 2mo ago
>Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum Which are pretty useless for a lot of home layouts and degree of putting cords etc. away. I took a look a few years back and got a stick vac instead. (And have a monthly housekeeper who does a lot more than a robo-vac would.)
novia 2mo ago
What it we would prefer that there were not other people in our homes for interpersonal reasons?
- kibwen 2mo ago
  All robotic home appliances will feature cameras with which people will be watching you and microphones with which people will be listening to you, all the time, forever.
  - novia 2mo ago
    Sounds false
CuriouslyC 2mo ago
The cost of a timeshare robot will come down first, so you'll be hiring a robot before you own one. But that might not take so long to occur as you imagine.
- habinero 2mo ago
  People have been talking about this for literally a hundred years at this point. It's not a thing and isn't gonna be one.
  - senordevnyc 2mo ago
    Exactly. I was telling my friend Orville something similar, but he just wouldn’t listen!
sumedh 2mo ago
> Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. Wasnt AI science fiction (research) for decades but just took couple of years after Chatgpt to become mainstream. Why do you that wont happen to robotics?
- habinero 2mo ago
  We don't have sci-fi AI, and in any case "this thing is now possible, therefore [much more difficult thing] will be possible soon" is not a rational thought.
  - bonoboTP 2mo ago
    > We don't have sci-fi AI Current frontier models are absolutely sci-fi AI by any measure that existed up until the late 2010s. If you showed a current frontier agentic AI, with bidirectional speech, tool use etc. to a person from 2010, they'd say it can't be real, there must be a person inside that mechanical turk.
    - ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
      Sci-fi AI has always been characterised by learning on the fly, which these models do not do. I guess we've got pretty close to what sci fi has often called "VI", autonomous machines that can carry out pre determined tasks to a level that looks concious, but are incapable of learning further.
      - bonoboTP 2mo ago
        They learn again when the labs train the next version. The previous version often has an indispensable role in orchestrating that process, as a critic and from usage transcripts of the previous model that they have access to. And between two training runs the model can assemble a lot of md files, memory files, and load them in on-demand. I think this is enough to make it scifi-level, but I agree there should be some way to customize it at a deeper level and adapt to each person's context. But things are still moving too fast for that to make sense. If they fine tuned a specific LoRA for Claude just for your projects and workflows, it would get outdated quite fast and you'd have to retrain it at quite a cost for the new version.

ghaff 2mo ago

>Most recent innovation has been the automatic vacuum Which are pretty useless for a lot of home layouts and degree of putting cords etc. away. I took a look a few years back and got a stick vac instead. (And have a monthly housekeeper who does a lot more than a robo-vac would.)

novia 2mo ago

What it we would prefer that there were not other people in our homes for interpersonal reasons?

kibwen 2mo ago
All robotic home appliances will feature cameras with which people will be watching you and microphones with which people will be listening to you, all the time, forever.
- novia 2mo ago
  Sounds false

CuriouslyC 2mo ago

The cost of a timeshare robot will come down first, so you'll be hiring a robot before you own one. But that might not take so long to occur as you imagine.

habinero 2mo ago
People have been talking about this for literally a hundred years at this point. It's not a thing and isn't gonna be one.
- senordevnyc 2mo ago
  Exactly. I was telling my friend Orville something similar, but he just wouldn’t listen!

sumedh 2mo ago

> Robotics in the household has been the realm of science fiction for decades and it still hasn't happened. Wasnt AI science fiction (research) for decades but just took couple of years after Chatgpt to become mainstream. Why do you that wont happen to robotics?

habinero 2mo ago
We don't have sci-fi AI, and in any case "this thing is now possible, therefore [much more difficult thing] will be possible soon" is not a rational thought.
- bonoboTP 2mo ago
  > We don't have sci-fi AI Current frontier models are absolutely sci-fi AI by any measure that existed up until the late 2010s. If you showed a current frontier agentic AI, with bidirectional speech, tool use etc. to a person from 2010, they'd say it can't be real, there must be a person inside that mechanical turk.
  - ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
    Sci-fi AI has always been characterised by learning on the fly, which these models do not do. I guess we've got pretty close to what sci fi has often called "VI", autonomous machines that can carry out pre determined tasks to a level that looks concious, but are incapable of learning further.
    - bonoboTP 2mo ago
      They learn again when the labs train the next version. The previous version often has an indispensable role in orchestrating that process, as a critic and from usage transcripts of the previous model that they have access to. And between two training runs the model can assemble a lot of md files, memory files, and load them in on-demand. I think this is enough to make it scifi-level, but I agree there should be some way to customize it at a deeper level and adapt to each person's context. But things are still moving too fast for that to make sense. If they fine tuned a specific LoRA for Claude just for your projects and workflows, it would get outdated quite fast and you'd have to retrain it at quite a cost for the new version.