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> Why not? By no means did I mean Hamburg. If Hamburg was a country of its own I would love to live here to my last day, enduring the social-skills situation.

> Why not? By no means did I mean Hamburg. If Hamburg was a country of its own I would love to live here to my last day, enduring the social-skills situation. The reason why I do would not like to settle here permanently is more about German politics, which makes one vomit. Additionally, the recent reforms to the pension system here pissed many young people off, and the trajectory says it will only get worse. > Like many Germans, I see my future somewhere further north. Berliners move to Brandenburg when they make a family and want a bigger house :) My (and many Germans') intention is more for the whole package. In my case I meant moving to a completely different country, not just region. In the case of Norway: (Relatively) much less disgusting politics, solid pension and stable economy, less hostile environment, and of course breath-taking nature. Lots of this is subjective, so take it with a grain of salt :) Domestic migration within Germany doesn't really bother anyone AFAIK, since Germany's birthrate is very low anyway so no significant pressure arises. And if you move from Hamburg to Schleswig-Holstein nobody would notice. If you move from Hamburg to Bavaria (why would you?), that's a different story.

pelasaco 2mo ago
> By no means did I mean Hamburg Ok, from your sentence, was clear to me, you like Hamburg, but you don't want grow old there. > Additionally, the recent reforms to the pension system here pissed many young people off, and the trajectory says it will only get worse. So to leave the system now moving to Norway, will make you get a better Pension? I think it depends of many factors, but I am not sure it is true, specially if you are 30+. > Domestic migration within Germany doesn't really bother anyone AFAIK That's not true as well. There is a lot of tension in the Brandenburg region, or even small cities like Leipzig. > If you move from Hamburg to Bavaria (why would you?), that's a different story. Hm I see a lot of reasons why moving from Hamburg to Bavaria is a good idea.. I guess it's relative.
- vw_bulli 2mo ago
  Thanks for the note regarding domestic migration, learned something new today. The very last point was meant sarcastically due to the Hamburg-Bavaria beef. Of course Bavaria has some things that are nicer. For example I really miss the mountains, living up here in the north where it can’t get any flatter. Cheers!
  - pelasaco 2mo ago
    The Documentary about Brandenburg and Berlin from RBB [1] is interesting to try to understand (or not!) the problem :) References: [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjmvplzeJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjmvplzeJw Have fun!
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throwaway2037 2mo ago
> Additionally, the recent reforms to the pension system here pissed many young people off The tax rates are already so high in Germany, it is probably impossible to raise taxes enough to sustain the system. What realistic alternative was there to fixing the (fiscally) unsustainable pension system? And if you think Germany has it bad, then look at France. That place is a ticking (fiscal) time bomb with their massive pension system.
- pelasaco 2mo ago
  > What realistic alternative was there to fixing the (fiscally) unsustainable pension system I think there are multiple alternatives. To make people work up to 70, when Men have a life expectancy in average of 78 and Women, in average 86, is probably not the most attractive one.
  - throwaway2037 2mo ago
    > I think there are multiple alternatives. Such as...?
    - pelasaco 2mo ago
      Do you think it makes sense to contribute 9.3% of your salary every month (well, your employer contributes roughly the same, so about 18% in total) for around 40 years (assuming you start working at 30, which is already late), only to enjoy it for an average of 8 years if you're a man? For instance, if you earns, 3k/month, your whole life, and a 2% year annual return in a saving account, over 40 years, that's roughly 300k in contributions. Spread over 8 years, that's about 4.5k/month. And no, your pension will never will be even 2k/month with a salary of 3k/month.. At this point, will just make sense to become civil servant.. full pension, private insurance, depending of the job, 40 days+ holidays/year..

pelasaco 2mo ago

> By no means did I mean Hamburg Ok, from your sentence, was clear to me, you like Hamburg, but you don't want grow old there. > Additionally, the recent reforms to the pension system here pissed many young people off, and the trajectory says it will only get worse. So to leave the system now moving to Norway, will make you get a better Pension? I think it depends of many factors, but I am not sure it is true, specially if you are 30+. > Domestic migration within Germany doesn't really bother anyone AFAIK That's not true as well. There is a lot of tension in the Brandenburg region, or even small cities like Leipzig. > If you move from Hamburg to Bavaria (why would you?), that's a different story. Hm I see a lot of reasons why moving from Hamburg to Bavaria is a good idea.. I guess it's relative.

vw_bulli 2mo ago
Thanks for the note regarding domestic migration, learned something new today. The very last point was meant sarcastically due to the Hamburg-Bavaria beef. Of course Bavaria has some things that are nicer. For example I really miss the mountains, living up here in the north where it can’t get any flatter. Cheers!
- pelasaco 2mo ago
  The Documentary about Brandenburg and Berlin from RBB [1] is interesting to try to understand (or not!) the problem :) References: [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjmvplzeJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxjmvplzeJw Have fun!
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throwaway2037 2mo ago

> Additionally, the recent reforms to the pension system here pissed many young people off The tax rates are already so high in Germany, it is probably impossible to raise taxes enough to sustain the system. What realistic alternative was there to fixing the (fiscally) unsustainable pension system? And if you think Germany has it bad, then look at France. That place is a ticking (fiscal) time bomb with their massive pension system.

pelasaco 2mo ago
> What realistic alternative was there to fixing the (fiscally) unsustainable pension system I think there are multiple alternatives. To make people work up to 70, when Men have a life expectancy in average of 78 and Women, in average 86, is probably not the most attractive one.
- throwaway2037 2mo ago
  > I think there are multiple alternatives. Such as...?
  - pelasaco 2mo ago
    Do you think it makes sense to contribute 9.3% of your salary every month (well, your employer contributes roughly the same, so about 18% in total) for around 40 years (assuming you start working at 30, which is already late), only to enjoy it for an average of 8 years if you're a man? For instance, if you earns, 3k/month, your whole life, and a 2% year annual return in a saving account, over 40 years, that's roughly 300k in contributions. Spread over 8 years, that's about 4.5k/month. And no, your pension will never will be even 2k/month with a salary of 3k/month.. At this point, will just make sense to become civil servant.. full pension, private insurance, depending of the job, 40 days+ holidays/year..