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Wonder if the subconscious could simply be another LLM with a higher temperature setting… Have long thought that creativity is little more than a finely tuned

Wonder if the subconscious could simply be another LLM with a higher temperature setting… Have long thought that creativity is little more than a finely tuned filter driven by noise…

elendilm 2mo ago
Agreed. Well said. Trying to maintain that our mind is unreachable by the laws of logic is absurd. If reachable by laws of logic, then it can be stated. If it can be stated, it can be executed. Its funny that the very act of chaining sentences is what logic is. And every human thought can be written as a sentence.
- fragmede 2mo ago
  > every human thought can be written as a sentence. No they can't. I have things in my brain that I don't have words for, that I'm able to find things other people have done to help me express them. You can attach sentences to music and art, but a picture is worth a thousand words. The thoughts on my head when I saw the latest Banksy, for example. Maybe I'm abberationally ineloquent, but I don't think I'm that exceptional.
  - elendilm 2mo ago
    Yes they can. Retreating to "I feel things I can't say" arguments that cannot be falsified is a cope. Either that or you didn't put effort into writing it down or you lack the capability to do it. You can even write sentences like "cows have wings and smells green". Regular thoughts are feeble by comparison in terms of complexity. Claiming "a picture is worth a thousand words" may work out in family gatherings but irrelevant and meaningless in a computation discussion. Picture is represented by concrete symbols.
    - fragmede 2mo ago
      Having an internal representation doesn’t imply an English sentence exists. Temple Grandin's written about "thinking in pictures". Language is lossy. For a doctor, the question, how much does it hurt, on a scale from 1-10? is the best we can do.
      - elendilm 2mo ago
        Appealing to some authority won't rescue you as information theory doesn't work by arbitrary authority figures. Thinking computational theory is about hurt is a joke. Resorting to feelings signifies lack of technical substance. Language is precise or lossy depending on granularity. Haven't you seen a png file in a computer. Visuals are symbols buddy. Hence representable in language.
        fragmede 2mo ago
        > Visuals are symbols buddy. that's a weaker claim than "every human thought can be written as a sentence."

Wonder if the subconscious could simply be another LLM with a higher temperature setting… Have long thought that creativity is little more than a finely tuned filter driven by noise…

elendilm 2mo ago

Agreed. Well said. Trying to maintain that our mind is unreachable by the laws of logic is absurd. If reachable by laws of logic, then it can be stated. If it can be stated, it can be executed. Its funny that the very act of chaining sentences is what logic is. And every human thought can be written as a sentence.

fragmede 2mo ago
> every human thought can be written as a sentence. No they can't. I have things in my brain that I don't have words for, that I'm able to find things other people have done to help me express them. You can attach sentences to music and art, but a picture is worth a thousand words. The thoughts on my head when I saw the latest Banksy, for example. Maybe I'm abberationally ineloquent, but I don't think I'm that exceptional.
- elendilm 2mo ago
  Yes they can. Retreating to "I feel things I can't say" arguments that cannot be falsified is a cope. Either that or you didn't put effort into writing it down or you lack the capability to do it. You can even write sentences like "cows have wings and smells green". Regular thoughts are feeble by comparison in terms of complexity. Claiming "a picture is worth a thousand words" may work out in family gatherings but irrelevant and meaningless in a computation discussion. Picture is represented by concrete symbols.
  - fragmede 2mo ago
    Having an internal representation doesn’t imply an English sentence exists. Temple Grandin's written about "thinking in pictures". Language is lossy. For a doctor, the question, how much does it hurt, on a scale from 1-10? is the best we can do.
    - elendilm 2mo ago
      Appealing to some authority won't rescue you as information theory doesn't work by arbitrary authority figures. Thinking computational theory is about hurt is a joke. Resorting to feelings signifies lack of technical substance. Language is precise or lossy depending on granularity. Haven't you seen a png file in a computer. Visuals are symbols buddy. Hence representable in language.
      - fragmede 2mo ago
        > Visuals are symbols buddy. that's a weaker claim than "every human thought can be written as a sentence."