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People don’t care means if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care. Most can’t _recognize_ GPT & Gemin

by Barbing 2mo ago

People don’t care means if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care. Most can’t _recognize_ GPT & Gemini posters. Good point on preview of feature.

krackers 2mo ago
The nature of preference-ranking in LLM post training means that "slop" is something that the average person actually prefers. Maybe there's an argument that it's not intentional but just emerges as a form of reward-hacking (e.g. people like a little bit of slop or sycophancy but the model dials it to 11) but I imagine if the end result wasn't rewarded ultimately that would get penalized. The fact that a clearly sloptacular image won first place seems to corroborate that indeed people do like it. Until people's tastes change and they learn to recognize and immunize themselves against slop, the models will continue to generate it.
- internet2000 2mo ago
  A parallel I like to draw is Thomas Kinkade and HDR photography. This style has always been popular, even pre-AI.
  - happytoexplain 2mo ago
    Analogies are lazy rhetorical devices. Different things are, unsurprisingly, different. Saying "X is like Y" does nothing but invite the conversation to take a turn into identifying all the differences between X and Y. Just defend the original subject on its own merits.
    - kdidiwkdkw 2mo ago
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    - Barbing 2mo ago
      This comment is like an opinion someone had and then shared digitally with the world. - I didn't mind the Thomas Kinkade reference, but you do have me thinking about to what extent analogies are lazy. Do you abstain from using them completely, or keep them rare?
    - internet2000 2mo ago
      I didn't mean it as an analogy. I meant it as it visually looks the same to me. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20250326-why-the-quaint-paintings-of-thomas-kinkade-divided-the-us https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20250326-why-the-quaint-... Hyper-detailed but somehow off, intense colors, not entirely realistic as a complete scene but a combination of realistic scenes.
- Barbing 2mo ago
  Great points. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could take this image back to ourselves in 2021 and see how we thought about it? I'm not a visual artist, so I would not have been overly critical of it. Today, AI art has a ton of baggage & as a result, the sloptacular is bothersome to me. But before I could recognize it, before certain styles became played out… probably much less offensive. Will the generators keep up and become dynamic enough the immunization will never happen at scale?
esrauch 2mo ago
> if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care. Do you have evidence that people would care? The specific case of this poster it appears they are claiming it was disclosed by the submitter that it was AI and still picked. Maybe that's diffusing the situation after, but it seems most likely these people selected and asked to care about the poster knew it was AI and still selected it. Most people would care less than they did.

by Barbing 2mo ago

krackers 2mo ago

The nature of preference-ranking in LLM post training means that "slop" is something that the average person actually prefers. Maybe there's an argument that it's not intentional but just emerges as a form of reward-hacking (e.g. people like a little bit of slop or sycophancy but the model dials it to 11) but I imagine if the end result wasn't rewarded ultimately that would get penalized. The fact that a clearly sloptacular image won first place seems to corroborate that indeed people do like it. Until people's tastes change and they learn to recognize and immunize themselves against slop, the models will continue to generate it.

internet2000 2mo ago
A parallel I like to draw is Thomas Kinkade and HDR photography. This style has always been popular, even pre-AI.
- happytoexplain 2mo ago
  Analogies are lazy rhetorical devices. Different things are, unsurprisingly, different. Saying "X is like Y" does nothing but invite the conversation to take a turn into identifying all the differences between X and Y. Just defend the original subject on its own merits.
  - kdidiwkdkw 2mo ago
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  - Barbing 2mo ago
    This comment is like an opinion someone had and then shared digitally with the world. - I didn't mind the Thomas Kinkade reference, but you do have me thinking about to what extent analogies are lazy. Do you abstain from using them completely, or keep them rare?
  - internet2000 2mo ago
    I didn't mean it as an analogy. I meant it as it visually looks the same to me. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20250326-why-the-quaint-paintings-of-thomas-kinkade-divided-the-us https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20250326-why-the-quaint-... Hyper-detailed but somehow off, intense colors, not entirely realistic as a complete scene but a combination of realistic scenes.
Barbing 2mo ago
Great points. Wouldn't it be interesting if we could take this image back to ourselves in 2021 and see how we thought about it? I'm not a visual artist, so I would not have been overly critical of it. Today, AI art has a ton of baggage & as a result, the sloptacular is bothersome to me. But before I could recognize it, before certain styles became played out… probably much less offensive. Will the generators keep up and become dynamic enough the immunization will never happen at scale?

esrauch 2mo ago

> if every poster were labeled “AI generated” with a black banner at the bottom, people wouldn’t care. Do you have evidence that people would care? The specific case of this poster it appears they are claiming it was disclosed by the submitter that it was AI and still picked. Maybe that's diffusing the situation after, but it seems most likely these people selected and asked to care about the poster knew it was AI and still selected it. Most people would care less than they did.