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dropping here, again: - Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy - are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving aw
by mannanj 2mo ago
dropping here, again:
- Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy
- are not tax evasion, those straw mans and ad hominems are to scare you into giving away your privacy protections
- you can pay use tax still (consult a professional, I'm no attorney)
That will speak louder to your representatives who are voting in these cameras which violate your privacy.
BTW officials in California, Texas have a history of selling your persona info tied to your vehicle registrations to 3rd policies and have been fined before. Trust them to have changed? Hah.
- know-how 2mo ago[dead]
- asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo agoNY VTL § 250(1) says otherwise.
- mannanj 2mo agoThe LLC’s ownership and Montana registration are not inherently tax evasion. The appropriate party can pay California or New York use tax arising from the vehicle’s in-state use. Whether Montana registration may legally remain or California requires a registration from you for a vehicle you do not own is a separate question. Generally, the LLC registers it. Since this vehicle has had its use tax already paid, the tax evasion argument won't apply.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo agoI don’t think a shell LLC is gonna help you avoid the requirement to register a car you own as a New York resident. The law in New York requires that for the vehicle to be considered non-resident it be garaged at the out-of-state place of business. Taxes are irrelevant.
- mannanj 2mo agoYou are mistaking ownership and falsifying who owns the vehicle. Do you understand how ownership is defined, legally? How can you simultaneously own a vehicle, and the LLC too? If the LLC owns the vehicle, you do not.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo agoGood luck with that. It’s bad advice. But people will have to read the law and take risks as seems appropriate to them.
- mannanj 2mo agoSo you called my advice bad. Then ignored my questions before retreating. You stated something as thought it were fact earlier (ownership) and then didn’t back it up. How can you own something that is owned by another company? Or said another way, do you have any sound basis to say you are on the hook to register property in New York (you linked to a New York statue) that you do not own. Or is it the LLC’s responsibility. Genuinely curious as every state is a bit different.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 2mo ago“ A person, firm, association or corporation having a place of business in a foreign country, state, territory or federal district and owning a motor vehicle, motorcycle or trailer used in connection with and garaged at such place of business which such owner is compelled to register in such foreign jurisdiction shall be deemed a resident of such foreign jurisdiction” In other words, the car’s owner is only deemed a resident of a foreign jurisdiction if the car is garaged at a place of business in that foreign jurisdiction AND compelled to register in that jurisdiction. It does not matter where the car’s owner is located. If it’s not garaged in that foreign jurisdiction, it is considered to be an NY resident vehicle. Your workaround does not work according to NY law because your car is not garaged in Wyoming or whatever.
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- kelseyfrog 2mo agoIs this legal advice?
- bikezen 2mo agoThis is not legal in California. If you are a resident in California you need California plates/registration. Even if you're a non-resident you need to register it here within a short period of time. > Except as provided in Section 6700, 6702, and 6703, any vehicle which is registered to a nonresident owner, and which is based in California or primarily used on California highways, shall be registered in California.
- onetokeoverthe 2mo ago[dead]
- mannanj 2mo agoThe LLC’s ownership and Montana registration are not inherently tax evasion. The appropriate party can pay California or New York use tax arising from the vehicle’s in-state use. Whether Montana registration may legally remain or California requires a registration from you for a vehicle you do not own is a separate question. Generally, the LLC registers it. Since this vehicle has had its use tax already paid, the tax evasion argument won't apply. Now is vehicle registration evasion a real thing or something you made up to conflate your fear mongering with legality?
- nullc 2mo agoCare to explain how you can insure a car without the insurance selling your data to data brokers? All states with remotely private registration still require insurance, including Montana.
- mannanj 2mo agoSure. Insurance isn't asking for your vehicle registration though, and is not even getting your license plate. You are not being tracked by flock cameras and your license plate linked to your identity through your insurance registration. You are though, through your state registration at the DMV. Unless, of course, you have Montana registrations.
- nullc 2mo agoInsurance demands your vin and reports it to LexisNexis, and anyone with a Lexis Nexis account can turn a VIN into a Montana plate so long as they self-certify that their use complies with the DPPA (which includes enough reasons to drive two busses through, even if you want to assume bad actors don't lie).
- mannanj 2mo agoSo what's your argument or point here? I am arguing that a Montana registration, with registration under an LLC and not you, with insurance even where the vehicle's vin is tied to your name, as a driver of the vehicle (not owner), is still more privacy protection and better for you in reference to Flock privacy-invading-cameras than an in-state registration where it's directly registered under you. Seems your whole post may fall under my original "Straw Man" camp that I was referring to. edit: And the whole "bad actors lie" comment feels to me like a bad faith, Ad hominem style statement that attacks credibility rather than substance.
- nullc 2mo agoSorry to offend, my point is that the necessity of auto insurance will stick your name (as the insured party for that vin) in a place accessible to flock (or at least flock's users). And as such I don't think it provides the results your post suggested "Montana vehicle registrations give you privacy". I really wish it did and I hoped you had some solution!