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> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within conte

> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

ButlerianJihad 3mo ago
No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process. Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and expect to strike down derivative works and other commercial uses. Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant.
- vkou 3mo ago
  Whether is not copyrightable is not relevant to this. The parent poster's point is just as salient. The creator, not the sumbitter needs to meet the criteria in question. A clanker isn't a resident of Ohio.
  - defrost 3mo ago
    I'm largely in the not fond of AI artwork camp and the weird rigging on the chair lifts in the winning entry bug me no end (first thing that caught my eye), however ... Is Jeff Koons (and others in the "massive installation" artwork game) the creator of his works or does that honour go to the minions that instantiate his wishes? We're talking "grand vision" description here .. now you 30 people go and flesh out the details.
  - satvikpendem 3mo ago
    Not really, AI is a tool and so it's assumed that the submitter is the creator. The Ohio judges will not be as pedantic as you and then other comment above try to make it seem.
  - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
    So that is your personal interpretation of an implicit rule. Well, the Ohio State Fair has explicitly ruled differently than you. Do we need to bust out the Wiktionary links again here?
- ameliaquining 3mo ago
  Probably they figured that the risk of any of that stuff causing actual problems was less than the headache of publicly disqualifying an already-announced winner who has a colorable argument that she didn't break any rules.
- userbinator 3mo ago
  Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism.
  - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
    I was thinking more like C-c C-v, or just take a photo of a competitor’s poster, but you do your seeding
dyauspitr 3mo ago
No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.
- BobbyTables2 3mo ago
  Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself…
  - furyofantares 3mo ago
    You're right, for example photography was controversial.
    - DrewADesign 3mo ago
      And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art.
      - pkaeding 3mo ago
        Is taping a banana to the wall art?
        DrewADesign 3mo ago
        As a performance maybe? Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck about how those rich kids entertain themselves. It’s like a jobs program for creative kids from big moneyed families. It has no bearing on what happens in the rest of the art world and it could not matter less when considering how credit and attribution work in commercial art.
satvikpendem 3mo ago
They only care who submitted it not who actually created it.
- teeray 3mo ago
  “Yes, the 7th grader who submitted this poster calls it the ‘Mona Lisa’. Doesn’t have anything to do with the state fair, but I swear this one belongs in a museum! Honorable Mention for sure!”
  - satvikpendem 3mo ago
    If it's not easily recognizable then yes they'll think the 7th grader did create it, it's just the default assumption. Maybe now they should run every submission through reverse image search then.

ButlerianJihad 3mo ago

No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process. Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and expect to strike down derivative works and other commercial uses. Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant.

vkou 3mo ago
Whether is not copyrightable is not relevant to this. The parent poster's point is just as salient. The creator, not the sumbitter needs to meet the criteria in question. A clanker isn't a resident of Ohio.
- defrost 3mo ago
  I'm largely in the not fond of AI artwork camp and the weird rigging on the chair lifts in the winning entry bug me no end (first thing that caught my eye), however ... Is Jeff Koons (and others in the "massive installation" artwork game) the creator of his works or does that honour go to the minions that instantiate his wishes? We're talking "grand vision" description here .. now you 30 people go and flesh out the details.
- satvikpendem 3mo ago
  Not really, AI is a tool and so it's assumed that the submitter is the creator. The Ohio judges will not be as pedantic as you and then other comment above try to make it seem.
- ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
  So that is your personal interpretation of an implicit rule. Well, the Ohio State Fair has explicitly ruled differently than you. Do we need to bust out the Wiktionary links again here?
ameliaquining 3mo ago
Probably they figured that the risk of any of that stuff causing actual problems was less than the headache of publicly disqualifying an already-announced winner who has a colorable argument that she didn't break any rules.
userbinator 3mo ago
Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism.
- ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
  I was thinking more like C-c C-v, or just take a photo of a competitor’s poster, but you do your seeding

dyauspitr 3mo ago

No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.

BobbyTables2 3mo ago
Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself…
- furyofantares 3mo ago
  You're right, for example photography was controversial.
  - DrewADesign 3mo ago
    And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art.
    - pkaeding 3mo ago
      Is taping a banana to the wall art?
      - DrewADesign 3mo ago
        As a performance maybe? Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck about how those rich kids entertain themselves. It’s like a jobs program for creative kids from big moneyed families. It has no bearing on what happens in the rest of the art world and it could not matter less when considering how credit and attribution work in commercial art.

satvikpendem 3mo ago

They only care who submitted it not who actually created it.

teeray 3mo ago
“Yes, the 7th grader who submitted this poster calls it the ‘Mona Lisa’. Doesn’t have anything to do with the state fair, but I swear this one belongs in a museum! Honorable Mention for sure!”
- satvikpendem 3mo ago
  If it's not easily recognizable then yes they'll think the 7th grader did create it, it's just the default assumption. Maybe now they should run every submission through reverse image search then.