5 ms·

I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i=Grand_Champion_Entry_-_Christin_Billips.png&cb=973a00a9 https://c

I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i=Grand_Champion_Entry_-_Christin_Billips.png&cb=973a00a9 https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? I guess they didn't explicitly forbid AI, and it wasn't noticed until after the winner was selected, and now you can't "roll back"? It seems this was later added to the page: > [...] we recognize that the use of AI has changed greatly over the last few years in ways we didn’t anticipate, and will be reevaluating the rules and processes for 2027, which will include prohibiting the use of AI [...] July 7 2026 mirror of the page without that updated notice: https://web.archive.org/web/20260707145158/https://www.ohiostatefair.com/p/get-involved/arts/poster-contest https://web.archive.org/web/20260707145158/https://www.ohios...

kazinator 2mo ago
> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?
- ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
  No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process. Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and expect to strike down derivative works and other commercial uses. Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant.
  - vkou 2mo ago
    Whether is not copyrightable is not relevant to this. The parent poster's point is just as salient. The creator, not the sumbitter needs to meet the criteria in question. A clanker isn't a resident of Ohio.
    - defrost 2mo ago
      I'm largely in the not fond of AI artwork camp and the weird rigging on the chair lifts in the winning entry bug me no end (first thing that caught my eye), however ... Is Jeff Koons (and others in the "massive installation" artwork game) the creator of his works or does that honour go to the minions that instantiate his wishes? We're talking "grand vision" description here .. now you 30 people go and flesh out the details.
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      Not really, AI is a tool and so it's assumed that the submitter is the creator. The Ohio judges will not be as pedantic as you and then other comment above try to make it seem.
    - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
      So that is your personal interpretation of an implicit rule. Well, the Ohio State Fair has explicitly ruled differently than you. Do we need to bust out the Wiktionary links again here?
  - ameliaquining 2mo ago
    Probably they figured that the risk of any of that stuff causing actual problems was less than the headache of publicly disqualifying an already-announced winner who has a colorable argument that she didn't break any rules.
  - userbinator 2mo ago
    Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism.
    - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
      I was thinking more like C-c C-v, or just take a photo of a competitor’s poster, but you do your seeding
- dyauspitr 2mo ago
  No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.
  - BobbyTables2 2mo ago
    Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself…
    - furyofantares 2mo ago
      You're right, for example photography was controversial.
      - DrewADesign 2mo ago
        And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art.
        pkaeding 2mo ago
        Is taping a banana to the wall art?
        DrewADesign 2mo ago
        As a performance maybe? Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck about how those rich kids entertain themselves. It’s like a jobs program for creative kids from big moneyed families. It has no bearing on what happens in the rest of the art world and it could not matter less when considering how credit and attribution work in commercial art.
- satvikpendem 2mo ago
  They only care who submitted it not who actually created it.
  - teeray 2mo ago
    “Yes, the 7th grader who submitted this poster calls it the ‘Mona Lisa’. Doesn’t have anything to do with the state fair, but I swear this one belongs in a museum! Honorable Mention for sure!”
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      If it's not easily recognizable then yes they'll think the 7th grader did create it, it's just the default assumption. Maybe now they should run every submission through reverse image search then.
Groxx 2mo ago
Ribbons are splotchy and weird, and have designs that don't line up and stars that are misformed. Are they going to use it as an official poster or something? It is it just a side competition? Feels like they might come to regret spreading it. Both the first and the second smell rather strongly of AI, though the winner seems the most egregious.
crooked-v 2mo ago
Maybe it's just me, but that font and its layout feels extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" that I've already seen on posterboards for a bunch of restaurants in SF.
- markdown 2mo ago
  > extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" Also seen in every FB post by small businesses as well as every garage sale post in my country
  - defrost 2mo ago
    and packed into every thumbnail for slopiganda on youtube.
- bschwindHN 2mo ago
  Not just you, it's immediately obvious as an AI image, it's got the piss filter and all kinds of telling details. Detecting AI images like this should be a basic skill at this point.
skybrian 2mo ago
Huh, I thought I was reasonably good at this but didn't see them. Rather than getting annoyed about it, maybe it could be a fun puzzle? Spot the AI glitches in this image. Maybe do that contest before giving the award, though, among the finalists?
- DrewADesign 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - ralph84 2mo ago
    You wanna get paid for your work become a sat diver or roughneck.
    - DrewADesign 2mo ago
      I’m already an industrial tradesman, toughguy. People in the software world are soon going to feel pretty stupid about being that smug to people who had to switch careers because cratering demand cratered wages.
  - skybrian 2mo ago
    If you don't try to have fun with it then you're not going to have fun.
    - ameliaquining 2mo ago
      I think the problem is that, once you get good enough to reliably spot AI output at a given level of obviousness, seeing more of it stops being fun and starts being just depressing, and this is more true the more of it you see. There's no shame in not being that experienced yet, but if you're not, you should recognize that people who are are naturally going to have a different reaction.
      - DrewADesign 2mo ago
        Now imagine it’s that, plus, it torpedoed a career change that involved graduating from art school in 2024 because it fucked the entry-level creative job market. Definitely not having ‘fun’ with it anymore than I had ‘fun’ with cancer.
andsoitis 2mo ago
> I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... "Celebrating Ohio's and America's 250th birthday" Ohio is 223 years old, having officially joined the United States as the 17th state in 1803.
- pastel8739 2mo ago
  It actually says “celebrating Ohio and America’s 250th” (not Ohio’s) so this works ok
- no-name-here 2mo ago
  > https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i=Grand_Champion_Entry_-_Christin_Billips.png&cb=973a00a9 https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... > "Celebrating Ohio's and America's 250th birthday" > Ohio is 223 years old You might have misread the text? I see something different in the “Celebrating Ohio and America’s 250th birthday”, which I read as celebrating: 1. Ohio overall 2. America’s 250th
  - Brian_K_White 2mo ago
    Without the Oxford comma, it was the most reasonable way to read it.
    - pastel8739 2mo ago
      You would never put an Oxford comma in a list of two items
      - therealpygon 2mo ago
        Exactly. If someone says, “I’m running to the grocery and McDonald’s drive-thru,” no one assumes they are sharing a drive-thru…
        2mo ago
SwellJoe 2mo ago
Jebus, that image is dogshit. There is no way in a million years I would put my name on something like that. It truly is the age of the shameless. If you have no shame and no ethics, you really can go far.
- deleted 2mo ago
  [deleted]
nkrisc 2mo ago
It immediately looks like AI slop because nearly every square inch is filled with with something, however meaningless and useless it might be to the overall composition. AI is good at filling an image with shit, and bad at knowing when to leave space and what isn’t necessary.
- jbdamask 2mo ago
  sure, but just look at that butter cow!
- crooked-v 2mo ago
  Yeah, my takeaway here is less about AI, and more that these judges have no sense of taste and just gave more points to whatever packed in the most pointless details.
  - CuriouslyC 2mo ago
    I'd guess they're representative of the average person going to the Ohio state fair, so no damage done.
  - sph 2mo ago
    Most people have no sense of taste, and I bet the jury’s average age indicates people that have no exposure or defense to newer technologies.
  - nkrisc 2mo ago
    AI or no AI, it’s incredible that this design won. Either the judges have questionable judgement or the other entries must not have been very good.
    - ChoGGi 2mo ago
      #3 was nice
- defrost 2mo ago
  Reporter to Kindergarten teacher: How is it that your students class paintings are so much better than all the other class paintings? Teacher: You just have to know when to take their finger paintings away from them.
dyauspitr 2mo ago
It’s good and things aren’t that blatantly wrong but I can tell it’s AI. It’s not the mistakes you pointed out, but there’s something about the overall image and I can’t put my finger on it.
teeray 2mo ago
> …[we] will be reevaluating the rules and processes for 2027… …by which time we will have hoped the public will have forgotten about all this and moved on.
- ameliaquining 2mo ago
  And why not? Is there any particular reason people will still need to care about this a year later?
1659447091 2mo ago
> Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? To nitpick, the Flags can't decide on if the US had 9 or 11 original colonies -- for celebrating "America's 250th birthday" the person that created it could have at least made sure the flag wasn't weird. Sheldon would be having a field day...
senordevnyc 2mo ago
The zipline? That's not a zipline. Ironic.

kazinator 2mo ago

> they didn't explicitly forbid AI Yes they did; the contestants must be at least 18 years old and residents of Ohio. AI is neither. Would it be within contest rules if an 19-year-old resident of Ohio served as an artistic director, giving suggestions to a 12-year-old from Kentucky who does the actual work?

ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
No they didn’t—from TFA: When the poster contest was originally formed in 2024, the use of AI was permitted if explained as a part of the application process. Since current US legal decisions indicate that genAI works are not copyrightable, this is troublesome for any organization that wants exclusive licensing for publicity. The State Fair would expect to incorporate their art winners into marketing, posters, and expect to strike down derivative works and other commercial uses. Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant.
- vkou 2mo ago
  Whether is not copyrightable is not relevant to this. The parent poster's point is just as salient. The creator, not the sumbitter needs to meet the criteria in question. A clanker isn't a resident of Ohio.
  - defrost 2mo ago
    I'm largely in the not fond of AI artwork camp and the weird rigging on the chair lifts in the winning entry bug me no end (first thing that caught my eye), however ... Is Jeff Koons (and others in the "massive installation" artwork game) the creator of his works or does that honour go to the minions that instantiate his wishes? We're talking "grand vision" description here .. now you 30 people go and flesh out the details.
  - satvikpendem 2mo ago
    Not really, AI is a tool and so it's assumed that the submitter is the creator. The Ohio judges will not be as pedantic as you and then other comment above try to make it seem.
  - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
    So that is your personal interpretation of an implicit rule. Well, the Ohio State Fair has explicitly ruled differently than you. Do we need to bust out the Wiktionary links again here?
- ameliaquining 2mo ago
  Probably they figured that the risk of any of that stuff causing actual problems was less than the headache of publicly disqualifying an already-announced winner who has a colorable argument that she didn't break any rules.
- userbinator 2mo ago
  Not to mention that any Ai-entrant piece could be duplicated by any other entrant With great difficulty, maybe. You'd need the exact model, prompt, seed, and hardware, and even then I believe there is some nondeterminism.
  - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
    I was thinking more like C-c C-v, or just take a photo of a competitor’s poster, but you do your seeding
dyauspitr 2mo ago
No AI is a tool. It’s like you saying they didn’t say you can’t use oil paint.
- BobbyTables2 2mo ago
  Oil paint would be a bit more controversial if it painted the picture all by itself…
  - furyofantares 2mo ago
    You're right, for example photography was controversial.
    - DrewADesign 2mo ago
      And photography is something where the image determines whether or not it’s art. If you are constructing an image using form, shape, light, subjects, tool selection, and all sorts of other factors to translate a 3D scene into a 2D image, revealing your particular perspective, then that is art, and pretty difficult at that. If you take a flat, objective, documentary picture of a painting, that’s not art. If you take a picture of something at the store you’d like to research later, that’s not art. If you’re telling someone, with your words, maybe some sketches and marked-up iterations what you want the picture to look like but they actually take it and finish it, you’re not the artist— you’re commissioning art.
      - pkaeding 2mo ago
        Is taping a banana to the wall art?
        DrewADesign 2mo ago
        As a performance maybe? Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck about how those rich kids entertain themselves. It’s like a jobs program for creative kids from big moneyed families. It has no bearing on what happens in the rest of the art world and it could not matter less when considering how credit and attribution work in commercial art.
satvikpendem 2mo ago
They only care who submitted it not who actually created it.
- teeray 2mo ago
  “Yes, the 7th grader who submitted this poster calls it the ‘Mona Lisa’. Doesn’t have anything to do with the state fair, but I swear this one belongs in a museum! Honorable Mention for sure!”
  - satvikpendem 2mo ago
    If it's not easily recognizable then yes they'll think the 7th grader did create it, it's just the default assumption. Maybe now they should run every submission through reverse image search then.

Groxx 2mo ago

Ribbons are splotchy and weird, and have designs that don't line up and stars that are misformed. Are they going to use it as an official poster or something? It is it just a side competition? Feels like they might come to regret spreading it. Both the first and the second smell rather strongly of AI, though the winner seems the most egregious.

crooked-v 2mo ago

Maybe it's just me, but that font and its layout feels extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" that I've already seen on posterboards for a bunch of restaurants in SF.

markdown 2mo ago
> extremely recognizable to me as the "AI image sign font" Also seen in every FB post by small businesses as well as every garage sale post in my country
- defrost 2mo ago
  and packed into every thumbnail for slopiganda on youtube.
bschwindHN 2mo ago
Not just you, it's immediately obvious as an AI image, it's got the piss filter and all kinds of telling details. Detecting AI images like this should be a basic skill at this point.

skybrian 2mo ago

Huh, I thought I was reasonably good at this but didn't see them. Rather than getting annoyed about it, maybe it could be a fun puzzle? Spot the AI glitches in this image. Maybe do that contest before giving the award, though, among the finalists?

DrewADesign 2mo ago
[flagged]
- ralph84 2mo ago
  You wanna get paid for your work become a sat diver or roughneck.
  - DrewADesign 2mo ago
    I’m already an industrial tradesman, toughguy. People in the software world are soon going to feel pretty stupid about being that smug to people who had to switch careers because cratering demand cratered wages.
- skybrian 2mo ago
  If you don't try to have fun with it then you're not going to have fun.
  - ameliaquining 2mo ago
    I think the problem is that, once you get good enough to reliably spot AI output at a given level of obviousness, seeing more of it stops being fun and starts being just depressing, and this is more true the more of it you see. There's no shame in not being that experienced yet, but if you're not, you should recognize that people who are are naturally going to have a different reaction.
    - DrewADesign 2mo ago
      Now imagine it’s that, plus, it torpedoed a career change that involved graduating from art school in 2024 because it fucked the entry-level creative job market. Definitely not having ‘fun’ with it anymore than I had ‘fun’ with cancer.

andsoitis 2mo ago

> I think this is the actual image: https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... "Celebrating Ohio's and America's 250th birthday" Ohio is 223 years old, having officially joined the United States as the 17th state in 1803.

pastel8739 2mo ago
It actually says “celebrating Ohio and America’s 250th” (not Ohio’s) so this works ok
no-name-here 2mo ago
> https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i=Grand_Champion_Entry_-_Christin_Billips.png&cb=973a00a9 https://cdn.saffire.com/images.ashx?t=ig&rid=OhioStateFair&i... > "Celebrating Ohio's and America's 250th birthday" > Ohio is 223 years old You might have misread the text? I see something different in the “Celebrating Ohio and America’s 250th birthday”, which I read as celebrating: 1. Ohio overall 2. America’s 250th
- Brian_K_White 2mo ago
  Without the Oxford comma, it was the most reasonable way to read it.
  - pastel8739 2mo ago
    You would never put an Oxford comma in a list of two items
    - therealpygon 2mo ago
      Exactly. If someone says, “I’m running to the grocery and McDonald’s drive-thru,” no one assumes they are sharing a drive-thru…
      - 2mo ago

SwellJoe 2mo ago

Jebus, that image is dogshit. There is no way in a million years I would put my name on something like that. It truly is the age of the shameless. If you have no shame and no ethics, you really can go far.

deleted 2mo ago
[deleted]

nkrisc 2mo ago

It immediately looks like AI slop because nearly every square inch is filled with with something, however meaningless and useless it might be to the overall composition. AI is good at filling an image with shit, and bad at knowing when to leave space and what isn’t necessary.

jbdamask 2mo ago
sure, but just look at that butter cow!
crooked-v 2mo ago
Yeah, my takeaway here is less about AI, and more that these judges have no sense of taste and just gave more points to whatever packed in the most pointless details.
- CuriouslyC 2mo ago
  I'd guess they're representative of the average person going to the Ohio state fair, so no damage done.
- sph 2mo ago
  Most people have no sense of taste, and I bet the jury’s average age indicates people that have no exposure or defense to newer technologies.
- nkrisc 2mo ago
  AI or no AI, it’s incredible that this design won. Either the judges have questionable judgement or the other entries must not have been very good.
  - ChoGGi 2mo ago
    #3 was nice
defrost 2mo ago
Reporter to Kindergarten teacher: How is it that your students class paintings are so much better than all the other class paintings? Teacher: You just have to know when to take their finger paintings away from them.

dyauspitr 2mo ago

It’s good and things aren’t that blatantly wrong but I can tell it’s AI. It’s not the mistakes you pointed out, but there’s something about the overall image and I can’t put my finger on it.

teeray 2mo ago

> …[we] will be reevaluating the rules and processes for 2027… …by which time we will have hoped the public will have forgotten about all this and moved on.

ameliaquining 2mo ago
And why not? Is there any particular reason people will still need to care about this a year later?

1659447091 2mo ago

> Notably, the zipline is all wacky, and two piggies are #1, probably more things I didn't notice at a skim? To nitpick, the Flags can't decide on if the US had 9 or 11 original colonies -- for celebrating "America's 250th birthday" the person that created it could have at least made sure the flag wasn't weird. Sheldon would be having a field day...

senordevnyc 2mo ago

The zipline? That's not a zipline. Ironic.