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You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are

by kccqzy 3mo ago

You think it’s done only because you are not ambitious enough. And neither is Tesla. A Hyundai charges faster than a Tesla. Chinese cars from several brands are getting five-minute charging times. If you think that’s a straw man I don’t know what to say; a buyer wants charging to be as fast as pumping gas, and are you going to blame buyer stupidity for not delivering on that?

Grombobulous 3mo ago
China is even doing 90 second automated robotic battery swap stations.
aetherspawn 3mo ago
But which brands last longer than a Tesla? None. That’s because faster charging wears out the battery. Charging fast is not marvellous, actually it requires a lot of self-control from the manufacturers to limit charging speed for longevity, even though most people won’t understand why.
- satvikpendem 3mo ago
  No, because Chinese EVs have advanced in battery technology too above Tesla. > CATL also says the battery retains more than 90% of its original capacity after 1,000 ultra-fast charging cycles https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fast-ev-battery https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fas...
  - ivewonyoung 3mo ago
    Tesla buys batteries from CATL.
    - satvikpendem 2mo ago
      It's not the same batteries. CATL sells its better ones to Chinese EV makers.
IncreasePosts 3mo ago
Yes, I would blame the buyer for thinking it's important at this point. It's almost a meme response to EVs. All you need to do is an honest look at how many days a year you drive 500+ miles per day. People can't seem to do that and fixate on the ultra long distance road trip that they might make once per year. And neglecting to realize that they stop for bathroom breaks and food and so the actual time you're simply waiting for charging is, at best, maybe 20-30 minutes per year. 99% of the time you would be plugging your car into the charger at your house. And it just charges overnight. I guess it's different if people have no way to charge their car at home or have it plugged in overnight. But in that case a lot of times they can pick up charge while at work, or whole doing grocery shopping, etc.
- kccqzy 3mo ago
  No. You are presupposing a particular usage of a car and imposing that on a potential buyer. I take the train or bike to work, so for me my car is only for weekend trips. That’s why I bought the fastest-charging car available at that time. Even for road trips there are different ways to approach it. Some people just want to get to their destination fast and don’t mind eating at wherever the charger is. Others take road trips differently and would want to eat at the best restaurant at each local town they pass through, which may not be where chargers are. And if there are many passengers the bathroom breaks are usually not aligned with when the car needs charging. The perfect scenario of getting food or bathroom breaks exactly when the car needs charging could be a rare scenario.
  - IncreasePosts 3mo ago
    That's how designing products works. There are particular use cases one designs for. My point is that by far the most common use case I'd daily driving, and very few people would be majorly and continually inconvenienced by charging 200 miles in 15 minutes. Even if your use case is "only take the car on 500 mile road trips and I don't want to stop for 15 minutes", you should be able to understand how exceedingly rate that is.
    - kccqzy 3mo ago
stasomatic 3mo ago
I drive a Hyundai Ioniq 5. It charges fast(er), rides nicer than a Tesla and carries no stigma. However, Tesla is the only manufacturer (in US) that has FSD. Having experienced FSD in a relative's Tesla S last week, I now know what I am missing and I'd be willing to give up a few feature comforts to have the FSD.

by kccqzy 3mo ago

Grombobulous 3mo ago

China is even doing 90 second automated robotic battery swap stations.

aetherspawn 3mo ago

But which brands last longer than a Tesla? None. That’s because faster charging wears out the battery. Charging fast is not marvellous, actually it requires a lot of self-control from the manufacturers to limit charging speed for longevity, even though most people won’t understand why.

satvikpendem 3mo ago
No, because Chinese EVs have advanced in battery technology too above Tesla. > CATL also says the battery retains more than 90% of its original capacity after 1,000 ultra-fast charging cycles https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fast-ev-battery https://www.evdances.com/blogs/news/hongqi-unveils-ultra-fas...
- ivewonyoung 3mo ago
  Tesla buys batteries from CATL.
  - satvikpendem 2mo ago
    It's not the same batteries. CATL sells its better ones to Chinese EV makers.

IncreasePosts 3mo ago

Yes, I would blame the buyer for thinking it's important at this point. It's almost a meme response to EVs. All you need to do is an honest look at how many days a year you drive 500+ miles per day. People can't seem to do that and fixate on the ultra long distance road trip that they might make once per year. And neglecting to realize that they stop for bathroom breaks and food and so the actual time you're simply waiting for charging is, at best, maybe 20-30 minutes per year. 99% of the time you would be plugging your car into the charger at your house. And it just charges overnight. I guess it's different if people have no way to charge their car at home or have it plugged in overnight. But in that case a lot of times they can pick up charge while at work, or whole doing grocery shopping, etc.

kccqzy 3mo ago
No. You are presupposing a particular usage of a car and imposing that on a potential buyer. I take the train or bike to work, so for me my car is only for weekend trips. That’s why I bought the fastest-charging car available at that time. Even for road trips there are different ways to approach it. Some people just want to get to their destination fast and don’t mind eating at wherever the charger is. Others take road trips differently and would want to eat at the best restaurant at each local town they pass through, which may not be where chargers are. And if there are many passengers the bathroom breaks are usually not aligned with when the car needs charging. The perfect scenario of getting food or bathroom breaks exactly when the car needs charging could be a rare scenario.
- IncreasePosts 3mo ago
  That's how designing products works. There are particular use cases one designs for. My point is that by far the most common use case I'd daily driving, and very few people would be majorly and continually inconvenienced by charging 200 miles in 15 minutes. Even if your use case is "only take the car on 500 mile road trips and I don't want to stop for 15 minutes", you should be able to understand how exceedingly rate that is.
  - kccqzy 3mo ago

stasomatic 3mo ago

I drive a Hyundai Ioniq 5. It charges fast(er), rides nicer than a Tesla and carries no stigma. However, Tesla is the only manufacturer (in US) that has FSD. Having experienced FSD in a relative's Tesla S last week, I now know what I am missing and I'd be willing to give up a few feature comforts to have the FSD.