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I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also

I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also own an EV.

belorn 3mo ago
I have compared prices in fast-charging stations to gasoline here in Sweden, and a gasoline car get more miles for the money. The price can be up to 100x, or 10000% that of the market price that the fast-charging stations buy their electricity from. And even with that, very few places seems to be willing to build competing charging stations that will undercut those prices. The only way to actually save money is to have a charging stations at home or at work where you pay the normal (through still very high) cost that the utility company take.
- reverius42 3mo ago
  I have found fast-charging prices near where I live to be fairly competitive with gasoline per-mile. The lower maintenance costs of an EV are icing on the cake, so to speak. But I actually do most of my charging as trickle-charging from a regular home outlet, despite it being slow; it adds about 40 miles of range per 24 hours of charging. My car sits in my driveway most of the time so that's actually sufficient most of the time.
  - asdff 3mo ago
    If it was about reducing lifetime ownership costs, you'd be hard pressed to ever exceed what you pay for an EV with say a couple grand used japanese ice car with a basic 4 banger engine and manual transmission.
    - reverius42 2mo ago
      Good luck getting a working car at all for a couple grand these days.
- stavros 3mo ago
  In Greece, fast charging is 4x more expensive than slow charging at home. Slow electricity is around 4x cheaper than gas, so you're right, fast charging makes it about even. Good thing I only need to fast charge a few times a year, on long trips (or consecutive trips away from home/a plug).
asdff 3mo ago
I can fill a gas car in 3 mins basically anywhere within reach of civilization. It is frictionless pretty much. People I know with ev and no home charger have to plan their entire life around when they take the car to charge. Sometimes they have to just take the gas car because the ev is down to 30% and too close to empty for comfort.

I don't have a gas station at my house, and yet I still own a gas-powered vehicle. I also don't have a fast electric charger at my house, and yet I still also own an EV.

belorn 3mo ago

I have compared prices in fast-charging stations to gasoline here in Sweden, and a gasoline car get more miles for the money. The price can be up to 100x, or 10000% that of the market price that the fast-charging stations buy their electricity from. And even with that, very few places seems to be willing to build competing charging stations that will undercut those prices. The only way to actually save money is to have a charging stations at home or at work where you pay the normal (through still very high) cost that the utility company take.

reverius42 3mo ago
I have found fast-charging prices near where I live to be fairly competitive with gasoline per-mile. The lower maintenance costs of an EV are icing on the cake, so to speak. But I actually do most of my charging as trickle-charging from a regular home outlet, despite it being slow; it adds about 40 miles of range per 24 hours of charging. My car sits in my driveway most of the time so that's actually sufficient most of the time.
- asdff 3mo ago
  If it was about reducing lifetime ownership costs, you'd be hard pressed to ever exceed what you pay for an EV with say a couple grand used japanese ice car with a basic 4 banger engine and manual transmission.
  - reverius42 2mo ago
    Good luck getting a working car at all for a couple grand these days.
stavros 3mo ago
In Greece, fast charging is 4x more expensive than slow charging at home. Slow electricity is around 4x cheaper than gas, so you're right, fast charging makes it about even. Good thing I only need to fast charge a few times a year, on long trips (or consecutive trips away from home/a plug).

asdff 3mo ago

I can fill a gas car in 3 mins basically anywhere within reach of civilization. It is frictionless pretty much. People I know with ev and no home charger have to plan their entire life around when they take the car to charge. Sometimes they have to just take the gas car because the ev is down to 30% and too close to empty for comfort.