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It's very commonly the anti-EU politicians who inevitably get into EU parliament (due to representative voting, ironically more democratic than the FPTP system
by dijit 2mo ago
It's very commonly the anti-EU politicians who inevitably get into EU parliament (due to representative voting, ironically more democratic than the FPTP system we use in the UK, despite all the wailing about democracy) who endorse such obviously stupid ideas, as a way to undermine the credibility of the EU.
What's frustrating is that it works really well, and occasionally they get something truly stupid through- which goes a long way to whipping up anti-EU sentiment, but then they're forcing their countries to actually do the stupid thing... Nobody seems to call out this self-sabotage.
- razor-thin 2mo agoI suppose you have a lot of data backing this claim? The head of the EU, Ursula von der Leyen, isn't known to be anti-EU.
- dijit 2mo agoNo head of government is going to come out against what the government itself is doing, they have to defend every initiative, which is why they seem pretty ungenuine all the goddamn always. I used to track the voting history of UKIP members, the site "VoteWatch Europe" used to make this easy, but it shut down in 2022. UKIP were constantly voting for things to be discussed (when they bothered to vote at all), and then when they were discussed they would thump chest in the media about how the EU was talking about doing the thing they had voted to discuss (with the verbiage to suggest the EU would definitely do it, against the will of the British- forgetting entirely that we had a veto anyway...).
- mort96 2mo agoA good way to prevent this anti-EU sentiment would've been to not go through with these obviously stupid ideas. Weird that the EU doesn't seem to realize? Or do you think, maybe, that there's a deeper issue here and the problem isn't exclusive to just these anti-EU politicians you want to scapegoat?
- dijit 2mo agoI think rejecting proposals from MEPs on the grounds that "it's against EU interests" would be very undemocratic and fuel the very anti-EU sentiment that it would supposedly combat.
- mort96 2mo agoAnd approving this kind of regulation doesn't?
- dijit 2mo agoidk what kind of fascist you are, but a free society doesn’t stop talking about something because certain leaders don’t like it. In order to get legislation you want (say: gay rights) you have to risk legislation you don’t like, for some, that would be gay rights too…
- mort96 2mo agoSome legislation is good, some legislation is bad. Legislation allowing gay people to be gay is good. Legislation enforcing hardware attestation from Google and Apple to access services is bad. These are facts, not opinions; I'm not a moral relativist.
- Saline9515 2mo agoEU parliamentaries don't initiate laws, and, during the "trilogue" with the EC and the Council, they don't hold the pen on the final version. If any entity is "self-sabotaging", it's the European Commission. But it's not self-sabotage, it's simply yet another bureaucratic measure to assert power and control the population.