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I'm an admitted Elon hater, so maybe that clouds my judgement. But I rented a Tesla 3 a few years back to try an EV before deciding to buy one. I ultimately wen

I'm an admitted Elon hater, so maybe that clouds my judgement. But I rented a Tesla 3 a few years back to try an EV before deciding to buy one. I ultimately went with a Chevy Bolt, and find the Apple Carplay to be far better than Tesla's proprietary system. The only thing I recall that Tesla did better was pre-conditioning the battery before planned charging--something Apple Carplay (at least its current version) lacks the API to handle. As far as charging, I think that was the case even as recently as ~2 years ago. But today, the charging game is pretty decent for CCS cars. You can even charge at Tesla stations using an adapter.

CrimsonRain 2mo ago
Calling it clouded is an understatement. Apart from some Chinese cars (xpeng comes to mind), Rivian, bmw new class (but on paper; practically there are too many issues), other cars don't even come close to Teslas.
- matthewdgreen 2mo ago
  I own a 2018 Model 3 and I love it. Plus it's in good shape with limited maintenance. I'm looking to trade it in. But honestly, I don't want to buy effectively the same car but slightly worse, with no turn signals (the recent M3) or an uglier version (the Model Y.) Historically, upgrading from an eight-year old car to the current version of the same model was a pretty big upgrade. Not with Tesla: I'll either keep this car until the wheels fall off, or I'll buy an R2.
  - CrimsonRain 2mo ago
    You should rent a latest 3/Y for 3 days and then make the decision. The difference between them are subtle but massive. To the point, I will say a good amount of Tesla owners complains about build quality are fully on point. On the other hand, those same people will be pleasantly surprised if they try out ~2025 models. I own both. To an external eye, latest Y just has lightbar and more space. But only when you use it, you notice the QoL improvements. I rarely drive the M3 even though it is the more "fun" car... As for turn signal stalk, it is present in Y. and newer 3 as far as I know.
  - senordevnyc 2mo ago
    The Y is hideous.

CrimsonRain 2mo ago

Calling it clouded is an understatement. Apart from some Chinese cars (xpeng comes to mind), Rivian, bmw new class (but on paper; practically there are too many issues), other cars don't even come close to Teslas.

matthewdgreen 2mo ago
I own a 2018 Model 3 and I love it. Plus it's in good shape with limited maintenance. I'm looking to trade it in. But honestly, I don't want to buy effectively the same car but slightly worse, with no turn signals (the recent M3) or an uglier version (the Model Y.) Historically, upgrading from an eight-year old car to the current version of the same model was a pretty big upgrade. Not with Tesla: I'll either keep this car until the wheels fall off, or I'll buy an R2.
- CrimsonRain 2mo ago
  You should rent a latest 3/Y for 3 days and then make the decision. The difference between them are subtle but massive. To the point, I will say a good amount of Tesla owners complains about build quality are fully on point. On the other hand, those same people will be pleasantly surprised if they try out ~2025 models. I own both. To an external eye, latest Y just has lightbar and more space. But only when you use it, you notice the QoL improvements. I rarely drive the M3 even though it is the more "fun" car... As for turn signal stalk, it is present in Y. and newer 3 as far as I know.
- senordevnyc 2mo ago
  The Y is hideous.