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It's possible to be opposed to excessive copyright and also be opposed to the mass theft of media for profit and subsequent abuse of copyright that the scrapers

by robrain 2mo ago

It's possible to be opposed to excessive copyright and also be opposed to the mass theft of media for profit and subsequent abuse of copyright that the scrapers are guilty of. The AI pillagers are taking everything in, then gatekeeping access. And as they acknowledge with their "nothing after 2022" preferences, they (or their users at least) are salting the earth for future seekers of knowledge.

datakan 2mo ago
> It's possible to be opposed to excessive copyright Define excessive. Who makes that determination and how?
- inigyou 2mo ago
  the people who are opposed to it
- dredmorbius 2mo ago
  There's a substantial economic literature on this topic. Among other factors: time value of money and future-value discounting mean that economically ever-expanding copyright terms offer virtually no present-value benefit. Most works see virtually all of their economic value in the first few years of publication. There are some (rare) long-tailed exceptions. The original US copyright term of 14 years, with extensions, actually fits the economics pretty well. What extreme copyright duration does do is: 1. Create vast copyright-holding monopolies, often of works for which authors were poorly compensated if at all. (For the latter: academic publishing.) 2. Create a vast category of "orphan works" which aren't or cannot be published, in the latter case because rights simply cannot be clearly established, or competing claims (survivors, estates, publishers) exist. "Seventeen Famous Economists Weigh In On Copyright : the Role of Theory , Empirics , and Network Effects" <https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/articles/pdf/v18/18HarvJLTech435.pdf https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/articles/pdf/v18/18HarvJLTech43...> (2005) "The true impact of shorter and longer copyright durations: from authors’ earnings to cultural creativity and diversity" Jimmyn Parc & Patrick Messerlin (2020) <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10286632.2020.1829608 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10286632.2020.1...> Orphan Works: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work>

by robrain 2mo ago

datakan 2mo ago

> It's possible to be opposed to excessive copyright Define excessive. Who makes that determination and how?

inigyou 2mo ago
the people who are opposed to it
dredmorbius 2mo ago
There's a substantial economic literature on this topic. Among other factors: time value of money and future-value discounting mean that economically ever-expanding copyright terms offer virtually no present-value benefit. Most works see virtually all of their economic value in the first few years of publication. There are some (rare) long-tailed exceptions. The original US copyright term of 14 years, with extensions, actually fits the economics pretty well. What extreme copyright duration does do is: 1. Create vast copyright-holding monopolies, often of works for which authors were poorly compensated if at all. (For the latter: academic publishing.) 2. Create a vast category of "orphan works" which aren't or cannot be published, in the latter case because rights simply cannot be clearly established, or competing claims (survivors, estates, publishers) exist. "Seventeen Famous Economists Weigh In On Copyright : the Role of Theory , Empirics , and Network Effects" <https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/articles/pdf/v18/18HarvJLTech435.pdf https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/articles/pdf/v18/18HarvJLTech43...> (2005) "The true impact of shorter and longer copyright durations: from authors’ earnings to cultural creativity and diversity" Jimmyn Parc & Patrick Messerlin (2020) <https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10286632.2020.1829608 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10286632.2020.1...> Orphan Works: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work>