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I'm well aware and I don't have a problem with you or anyone else living life the way you want. This doesn't explain animosity towards treatment/cure research.

jimnotgym 3mo ago
Does it not? When you 'cure' the lateness you lose the superpower too. Now you have another boring normie doing a workmanlike job. I think the reason for the animosity is the assumption that it is it a disease or disorder in the first place. It presumes that rather than being different, it is wrong. Perhaps what is wrong, is neurotypical people insisting that the more gifted people have to be bent and twisted and forced to conform to the world as they want it. Perhaps because their boring and unimaginative minds can't stand the idea that someone else could lead a different life to them. Or, and have heard this, they are annoyed that the talented person with different needs gets to come in late some days... and they feel they are missing out themselves on a lie-in.
- dns_snek 3mo ago
  No it doesn't explain the animosity because nobody is forcing you to take the cure, but there are people who desperately want a cure.
  - jimnotgym 3mo ago
    Are they desperate for the cure, because they are forced to work with people can't accept them for who they are? Because they are exhausted from years of masking, because you can't succeed unless you fit in? Do they desperately want the 'cure'? Or do they want the problem of fitting in to a normie world to go away?
    - dns_snek 3mo ago
      That's a philosophical question that doesn't help people who are suffering. People are alive here and now. Some people will want a cure regardless. And we'll never have a society that's perfectly inclusive and understanding enough of all disorders, so it's just wishful thinking.
      - jimnotgym 3mo ago
        They won't get a cure, because autism is not a disease. It reminds me of the idea that 'curing' people's homosexuality would make them happier. Turns out it is not possible, but in the civilised world we made things so much better for them by just not being shitty and oppressive.
        dns_snek 3mo ago
        Not this shit again. I don't care whether you call it a cure, a treatment leading to complete improvement of all symptoms, a therapy that rids them of their problems, or a magic happiness potion. You can discuss the philosophy of these decisions all day long but at the end of the day, you don't get to tell other people what to do. You're no different from the "pro-life" crowd who want to ban abortion based on simplistic and idealistic view of the world. When you berate people who are asking for more treatment options, you're not just expressing your preference, you're also trying to control theirs. My patience on this has truly run out.
        Scandiravian 3mo ago
        Well, people tend to get pissy, when you completely disregard their lived experiences and concerns You've shown little to no interest in actually understanding why myself and others have expressed concerns what a "cure" would mean for those of us with a diagnosis, including a complete disregard for the historical precedent of how people with perceived "mental disabilities" have been treated You've run out of patience because your stance has been that we're wrong and you're right, so you need to set us straight. That's generally not a path to a fruitful conversation
        dns_snek 3mo ago
        I've run out of patience because it's always the same bad faith arguments, and because you feel entitled to tell other people what to do with their own bodies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49147339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49147339
  - pibaker 3mo ago
    > because nobody is forcing you to take the cure History about autistic people or mentally ill people in general says otherwise.
    - dns_snek 3mo ago
      Are you reading anything I say? > I'm familiar with the history behind it and I'm on high alert when someone ventures into eugenics
      - pibaker 3mo ago
        I am not accusing you personally of advocating for eugenics. But whether or not you personally would do has little bearing on what society as a whole will do if given the ability. It's like someone saying "but I would personally not gamble myself into bankruptcy" when his pro sports gambling legalization stance is challenged. Or like saying it's safe to keep a loaded gun in a house where his mentally unstable cousin lives just because he personally is responsible with firearms.

jimnotgym 3mo ago

Does it not? When you 'cure' the lateness you lose the superpower too. Now you have another boring normie doing a workmanlike job. I think the reason for the animosity is the assumption that it is it a disease or disorder in the first place. It presumes that rather than being different, it is wrong. Perhaps what is wrong, is neurotypical people insisting that the more gifted people have to be bent and twisted and forced to conform to the world as they want it. Perhaps because their boring and unimaginative minds can't stand the idea that someone else could lead a different life to them. Or, and have heard this, they are annoyed that the talented person with different needs gets to come in late some days... and they feel they are missing out themselves on a lie-in.

dns_snek 3mo ago
No it doesn't explain the animosity because nobody is forcing you to take the cure, but there are people who desperately want a cure.
- jimnotgym 3mo ago
  Are they desperate for the cure, because they are forced to work with people can't accept them for who they are? Because they are exhausted from years of masking, because you can't succeed unless you fit in? Do they desperately want the 'cure'? Or do they want the problem of fitting in to a normie world to go away?
  - dns_snek 3mo ago
    That's a philosophical question that doesn't help people who are suffering. People are alive here and now. Some people will want a cure regardless. And we'll never have a society that's perfectly inclusive and understanding enough of all disorders, so it's just wishful thinking.
    - jimnotgym 3mo ago
      They won't get a cure, because autism is not a disease. It reminds me of the idea that 'curing' people's homosexuality would make them happier. Turns out it is not possible, but in the civilised world we made things so much better for them by just not being shitty and oppressive.
      - dns_snek 3mo ago
        Not this shit again. I don't care whether you call it a cure, a treatment leading to complete improvement of all symptoms, a therapy that rids them of their problems, or a magic happiness potion. You can discuss the philosophy of these decisions all day long but at the end of the day, you don't get to tell other people what to do. You're no different from the "pro-life" crowd who want to ban abortion based on simplistic and idealistic view of the world. When you berate people who are asking for more treatment options, you're not just expressing your preference, you're also trying to control theirs. My patience on this has truly run out.
        Scandiravian 3mo ago
        Well, people tend to get pissy, when you completely disregard their lived experiences and concerns You've shown little to no interest in actually understanding why myself and others have expressed concerns what a "cure" would mean for those of us with a diagnosis, including a complete disregard for the historical precedent of how people with perceived "mental disabilities" have been treated You've run out of patience because your stance has been that we're wrong and you're right, so you need to set us straight. That's generally not a path to a fruitful conversation
        dns_snek 3mo ago
        I've run out of patience because it's always the same bad faith arguments, and because you feel entitled to tell other people what to do with their own bodies. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49147339 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49147339
- pibaker 3mo ago
  > because nobody is forcing you to take the cure History about autistic people or mentally ill people in general says otherwise.
  - dns_snek 3mo ago
    Are you reading anything I say? > I'm familiar with the history behind it and I'm on high alert when someone ventures into eugenics
    - pibaker 3mo ago
      I am not accusing you personally of advocating for eugenics. But whether or not you personally would do has little bearing on what society as a whole will do if given the ability. It's like someone saying "but I would personally not gamble myself into bankruptcy" when his pro sports gambling legalization stance is challenged. Or like saying it's safe to keep a loaded gun in a house where his mentally unstable cousin lives just because he personally is responsible with firearms.