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Yes, the dam has been broken. Major linux distibutions are getting polished for many decades already and they are totally ready for the mainstream adoption. No

Yes, the dam has been broken. Major linux distibutions are getting polished for many decades already and they are totally ready for the mainstream adoption. No amount of marketing will be able to reverse this trend. Considering that Big Tech is spending all their earned money (and even more by borrowing from investors) on AI, nobody will be even trying.

kibwen 2mo ago
It's obvious that Microsoft doesn't even want to be in the consumer desktop OS market anymore, they'd rather pivot to being pure B2B like IBM did. Likewise, it's obvious that the future of MacOS is continued iOS-ification and infantilization of their OS until it will eventually be useless for anything except developing iOS apps. So neither major player will bother spending a marketing budget to reverse this trend; they'd rather not play the game at all. On the flipside, fewer and fewer people will have traditional desktops in the first place; owning only a phone and no PC at all is the new normal.
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  > it's obvious that the future of MacOS is continued iOS-ification What’s an example of a specific iOS-indication in macOS that makes the OS worse?
  - fragmede 2mo ago
    Launchpad. It sucks on macOS. You can just not use it but it's there. Fullscreen apps and Spaces. My Mac isn't an iPad, but their window manager wants me to use it like one. Hidden scrollbars. App sandboxing.
    - olyjohn 2mo ago
      I think people don't know what OSX was like, when it was a glorious Unix system that did what you wanted. It let you install extensions and run unsigned code. Now its just a boring locked down iOS that has a windowing interface.
    - andsoitis 2mo ago
      > Hidden scrollbars. System Settings | Appearance | Show Scroll bars | Always
- lukevp 2mo ago
  What have they iOSed about macOS? The latest versions haven’t lost any features as far as I’m aware. But Windows lost the ability to even pin the task bar to the side of the window in Windows 11… and the ability to stop auto updates. If anything, iOS is getting more Mac-like, especially the iPad version. It has multi windowing and a window manager now.
  - fsflover 2mo ago
    > What have they iOSed about macOS? How about this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959
    - pbalau 2mo ago
      Meanwhile, here I am posting this using Google Chrome, with Lightroom Classic, InDesign, Sublime Text, Steam bla bla all opened in the background. You posted a 6 years old link.
      - wobfan 2mo ago
        The post is still relevant and it's not about not being able to open non-Apple software, but about Apple contacting their servers before anything is started. Apple is not blocking a lot, but step by step they're building their way into a locked OS, and it's very obvious.
  - olyjohn 2mo ago
    Everything. The whole OS has been getting locked down more with each release. More harassment about Apple accounts, harder to run non signed apps, the OS gets less and less configurable. I mean when Launchpad was released, it was clearly and iOS style interface to find your apps. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember when you could literally do anything you wanted with the OS and make it work for you.

kibwen 2mo ago

It's obvious that Microsoft doesn't even want to be in the consumer desktop OS market anymore, they'd rather pivot to being pure B2B like IBM did. Likewise, it's obvious that the future of MacOS is continued iOS-ification and infantilization of their OS until it will eventually be useless for anything except developing iOS apps. So neither major player will bother spending a marketing budget to reverse this trend; they'd rather not play the game at all. On the flipside, fewer and fewer people will have traditional desktops in the first place; owning only a phone and no PC at all is the new normal.

andsoitis 2mo ago
> it's obvious that the future of MacOS is continued iOS-ification What’s an example of a specific iOS-indication in macOS that makes the OS worse?
- fragmede 2mo ago
  Launchpad. It sucks on macOS. You can just not use it but it's there. Fullscreen apps and Spaces. My Mac isn't an iPad, but their window manager wants me to use it like one. Hidden scrollbars. App sandboxing.
  - olyjohn 2mo ago
    I think people don't know what OSX was like, when it was a glorious Unix system that did what you wanted. It let you install extensions and run unsigned code. Now its just a boring locked down iOS that has a windowing interface.
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    > Hidden scrollbars. System Settings | Appearance | Show Scroll bars | Always
lukevp 2mo ago
What have they iOSed about macOS? The latest versions haven’t lost any features as far as I’m aware. But Windows lost the ability to even pin the task bar to the side of the window in Windows 11… and the ability to stop auto updates. If anything, iOS is getting more Mac-like, especially the iPad version. It has multi windowing and a window manager now.
- fsflover 2mo ago
  > What have they iOSed about macOS? How about this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959
  - pbalau 2mo ago
    Meanwhile, here I am posting this using Google Chrome, with Lightroom Classic, InDesign, Sublime Text, Steam bla bla all opened in the background. You posted a 6 years old link.
    - wobfan 2mo ago
      The post is still relevant and it's not about not being able to open non-Apple software, but about Apple contacting their servers before anything is started. Apple is not blocking a lot, but step by step they're building their way into a locked OS, and it's very obvious.
- olyjohn 2mo ago
  Everything. The whole OS has been getting locked down more with each release. More harassment about Apple accounts, harder to run non signed apps, the OS gets less and less configurable. I mean when Launchpad was released, it was clearly and iOS style interface to find your apps. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember when you could literally do anything you wanted with the OS and make it work for you.