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“presumably under the influence of some strong chemicals” This is a bigger problem in Silicon Valley right now than anyone seems ready to acknowledge.

hahahaa 3mo ago
I see the "we work 12 hrs a day 6 days a week" as a euphemism for "we take amphetamines".
- khazhoux 3mo ago
  Whenever you hear someone say they work 80- (or 100!) hour weeks, you should understand what they mean is they had a few crunch weeks once.
  - achandra03 3mo ago
    A lot of people also equate "face time in the office" to "real work getting done". Especially prevalent in finance circles.
  - andy99 3mo ago
    Or the only thing they do in life is come to the office and then mix life with work so effectively it’s a combination of hanging out with friends, eating free food, and working, but it all goes into the work bucket when claims are made about how much they work. Nothing wrong with that per se, I basically did that in grad school. It’s completely different than actually grinding 100 hours a week though. Also tough to be a part of if you have a life or family outside work.
    - pipes 3mo ago
      Yep, that's what I thought too. I contrast it with an accident and emergency consultant I know in the UK. He actually is grinding 70 hours a week and not compensated for it. He works long hours because there aren't enough staff to cover the reality of what's needed.
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      I do this several times a year. It’s a lot of fun. You basically camp with colleagues and get a lot of collaborative work done. Then you detach and do your deep thinking. The problem is top performers eventually gain an ego and stop attending, and then it just turns into pathetic signaling.
  - nunez 3mo ago
    ibb folks definitely work this much every week. big law too. medicine, sometimes.
cmuguythrow 3mo ago
We will look back at the easy access to amphetamines - especially for children - in a similar light to the opioid epidemic. To be fair, I think they are less harmful than many opiates, but they are still serious drugs and usage has ~doubled in the last 10 years [1]. Anecdotally, it feels so common/casual for people - adults and schoolchildren - to be taking adderall, vyvanse, concerta, etc. Over 20 million subscriptions in the US [1] means thats something like 5-10% of the adult population. 1. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-communications/fda-updating-warnings-improve-safe-use-prescription-stimulants-used-treat-adhd-and-other-conditions https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-communications/fda-upd...
- bladeacidic 3mo ago
  Will we? Opiates leading to a homeless population not being productive, just looking to get high and be high all day and not do anything other than be a zombie, hits different compared to stimulants that makes people work harder and clean things.
outside1234 3mo ago
Elon
zer00eyz 3mo ago
> Silicon Valley right now Go back to early 2000's post dot com bubble. The whole of the bay ran on Adderall and Ambien + what ever else one could get their hands on. It was so pervasive that even a decade later you could find Adderall references in Bay Area hip hop. Almost 30 years on, and this still has not really changed.

hahahaa 3mo ago

I see the "we work 12 hrs a day 6 days a week" as a euphemism for "we take amphetamines".

khazhoux 3mo ago
Whenever you hear someone say they work 80- (or 100!) hour weeks, you should understand what they mean is they had a few crunch weeks once.
- achandra03 3mo ago
  A lot of people also equate "face time in the office" to "real work getting done". Especially prevalent in finance circles.
- andy99 3mo ago
  Or the only thing they do in life is come to the office and then mix life with work so effectively it’s a combination of hanging out with friends, eating free food, and working, but it all goes into the work bucket when claims are made about how much they work. Nothing wrong with that per se, I basically did that in grad school. It’s completely different than actually grinding 100 hours a week though. Also tough to be a part of if you have a life or family outside work.
  - pipes 3mo ago
    Yep, that's what I thought too. I contrast it with an accident and emergency consultant I know in the UK. He actually is grinding 70 hours a week and not compensated for it. He works long hours because there aren't enough staff to cover the reality of what's needed.
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    I do this several times a year. It’s a lot of fun. You basically camp with colleagues and get a lot of collaborative work done. Then you detach and do your deep thinking. The problem is top performers eventually gain an ego and stop attending, and then it just turns into pathetic signaling.
- nunez 3mo ago
  ibb folks definitely work this much every week. big law too. medicine, sometimes.

cmuguythrow 3mo ago

We will look back at the easy access to amphetamines - especially for children - in a similar light to the opioid epidemic. To be fair, I think they are less harmful than many opiates, but they are still serious drugs and usage has ~doubled in the last 10 years [1]. Anecdotally, it feels so common/casual for people - adults and schoolchildren - to be taking adderall, vyvanse, concerta, etc. Over 20 million subscriptions in the US [1] means thats something like 5-10% of the adult population. 1. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-communications/fda-updating-warnings-improve-safe-use-prescription-stimulants-used-treat-adhd-and-other-conditions https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-communications/fda-upd...

bladeacidic 3mo ago
Will we? Opiates leading to a homeless population not being productive, just looking to get high and be high all day and not do anything other than be a zombie, hits different compared to stimulants that makes people work harder and clean things.

outside1234 3mo ago

Elon

zer00eyz 3mo ago

> Silicon Valley right now Go back to early 2000's post dot com bubble. The whole of the bay ran on Adderall and Ambien + what ever else one could get their hands on. It was so pervasive that even a decade later you could find Adderall references in Bay Area hip hop. Almost 30 years on, and this still has not really changed.