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Are you saying you believe if children use puberty blockers they will develop male traits? Are you saying you would cite Reddit as a valid source? Oof.

cubefox 2mo ago
> Are you saying you believe if children use puberty blockers they will develop male traits? They will fail to develop their respective sex-typical traits, which in turn is typical of the opposite sex. > Are you saying you would cite Reddit as a valid source? Is there any reason to think the Reddit report is fake? If not, it is fine for me to refer to it. Besides, you were the one asking for a reference. Do you think she should have posted this to the arxiv? You are moving the goal posts.
- foco_tubi 2mo ago
  That’s not how puberty works. Delaying puberty doesn’t make a child develop the “opposite sex’s” puberty. A boy on puberty blockers doesn’t start growing breasts because of the blockers, and a girl doesn’t develop a deeper voice because of the blockers. Puberty blockers pause sex-hormone-driven development. They don’t replace testosterone with estrogen or vice versa. The absence of masculinization is not feminization, and the absence of feminization is not masculinization. I’m not implying that the single Reddit post you refer to is fake. I’m stating that relying on a single Reddit post as the basis of your entire argument is factually weak.
  - cubefox 2mo ago
    > The absence of masculinization is not feminization, and the absence of feminization is not masculinization. It is, to a certain degree. An man/woman who didn't develop several of their respective sex traits will automatically appear more feminine/masculine because these are polar opposites.
    - foco_tubi 2mo ago
      That is entirely subjective, from a biological standpoint you couldn’t be more wrong
      - cubefox 2mo ago
        Quite the contrary, it makes perfect biological sense for all kinds of sexually dimorphic animals.
        foco_tubi 2mo ago
        Perhaps it makes sense to you, but I’m not surprised by that at this point

cubefox 2mo ago

> Are you saying you believe if children use puberty blockers they will develop male traits? They will fail to develop their respective sex-typical traits, which in turn is typical of the opposite sex. > Are you saying you would cite Reddit as a valid source? Is there any reason to think the Reddit report is fake? If not, it is fine for me to refer to it. Besides, you were the one asking for a reference. Do you think she should have posted this to the arxiv? You are moving the goal posts.

foco_tubi 2mo ago
That’s not how puberty works. Delaying puberty doesn’t make a child develop the “opposite sex’s” puberty. A boy on puberty blockers doesn’t start growing breasts because of the blockers, and a girl doesn’t develop a deeper voice because of the blockers. Puberty blockers pause sex-hormone-driven development. They don’t replace testosterone with estrogen or vice versa. The absence of masculinization is not feminization, and the absence of feminization is not masculinization. I’m not implying that the single Reddit post you refer to is fake. I’m stating that relying on a single Reddit post as the basis of your entire argument is factually weak.
- cubefox 2mo ago
  > The absence of masculinization is not feminization, and the absence of feminization is not masculinization. It is, to a certain degree. An man/woman who didn't develop several of their respective sex traits will automatically appear more feminine/masculine because these are polar opposites.
  - foco_tubi 2mo ago
    That is entirely subjective, from a biological standpoint you couldn’t be more wrong
    - cubefox 2mo ago
      Quite the contrary, it makes perfect biological sense for all kinds of sexually dimorphic animals.
      - foco_tubi 2mo ago
        Perhaps it makes sense to you, but I’m not surprised by that at this point