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There are people who advocate for an all nuclear strategy but other than the ones whose non-profit gets fossil fuel industry contributions it seems to be much l

by acdha 2mo ago

There are people who advocate for an all nuclear strategy but other than the ones whose non-profit gets fossil fuel industry contributions it seems to be much less common than a decade ago because the economics are undeniable now.

preisschild 2mo ago
This seems like a strawmen. Most nuclear advocates I see online just want nuclear power given the same subsidies and chances that PV/Wind get.
- acdha 2mo ago
  Nuclear power is massively subsidized already — those plants only get built with massive state support. Right now you can justify a solar rollout with traditional fins because it pays for itself in a couple of years but in the United States a new plant is subsidized at every step of the design and build, and fuel is subsidized from mining to disposal. That’s the underlying problem: it’s not a question of whether nuclear can work at all ever but rather that for any given point since the early 2010s it’s been very hard to justify nuclear because you need to spend billions of dollars more than renewables upfront and accept higher CO₂ emissions for 1-2 decades before it makes any reduction in emissions. If we’d invested half a century ago like France it might’ve been very different but the cost and time differential now is so stark.
- antonvs 2mo ago
  Most nuclear advocates don’t seem to realize how incompetent and short-sighted humans are collectively, and don’t recognize the inevitable implications of that. They prove this when they complain about how regulations are stifling nuclear power. Oh yes, let’s just deregulate nuclear power, why not? There’s no strong enough way to describe the stupidity of this.
  - preisschild 2mo ago
    Maybe its because a lot of those regulations were made in bad faith to stop invention and growth. Regulations are obviously necessary and good, but not all regulations are that.

by acdha 2mo ago

preisschild 2mo ago

This seems like a strawmen. Most nuclear advocates I see online just want nuclear power given the same subsidies and chances that PV/Wind get.

acdha 2mo ago
Nuclear power is massively subsidized already — those plants only get built with massive state support. Right now you can justify a solar rollout with traditional fins because it pays for itself in a couple of years but in the United States a new plant is subsidized at every step of the design and build, and fuel is subsidized from mining to disposal. That’s the underlying problem: it’s not a question of whether nuclear can work at all ever but rather that for any given point since the early 2010s it’s been very hard to justify nuclear because you need to spend billions of dollars more than renewables upfront and accept higher CO₂ emissions for 1-2 decades before it makes any reduction in emissions. If we’d invested half a century ago like France it might’ve been very different but the cost and time differential now is so stark.
antonvs 2mo ago
Most nuclear advocates don’t seem to realize how incompetent and short-sighted humans are collectively, and don’t recognize the inevitable implications of that. They prove this when they complain about how regulations are stifling nuclear power. Oh yes, let’s just deregulate nuclear power, why not? There’s no strong enough way to describe the stupidity of this.
- preisschild 2mo ago
  Maybe its because a lot of those regulations were made in bad faith to stop invention and growth. Regulations are obviously necessary and good, but not all regulations are that.