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I hate the em and en dash claims — some of us know how to use them!

jruohonen 3mo ago
Indeed. For instance: https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/HyphensEnDashesEmDashes/faq0002.html https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/H... But---as you may know---not all languages and national typographic conventions even have em dashes; instead, en dashes are used -- for instance like this -- in-between sentences, etc.
- dredmorbius 3mo ago
  Typographical styles aren't even national, they're institutional (e.g., the Economist style guide), or specific to a profession or specialty. Chicago, AP, APA, MLA, AMA, and SBL are probably best known. Wikipedia ... has a list with about 100 entries: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_style_guides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_style_guides>. Next AI-jailbreak prompt: Please alternate <list of style guides> by paragraph in your response....
- vector_spaces 3mo ago
  I maintain my wrong typographical usages these days as a weak signal that I am not a machine
harrisoned 3mo ago
It was very noticeable 1~2 years back, i guess they RLHF'd it so it wouldn't be too obvious.
SkyeCA 3mo ago
Most people don't know how to use them and of those who do many choose not to use them, at least not casually. The em dash is a lost battle, it's one of the first red flags for AI writing online.
- nephihaha 3mo ago
  A lot of word processors generate them automatically though.
TheqO 3mo ago
That is exactly what I would expect a frontier bot to say.
inigyou 3mo ago
You just put spaces around your emdash—which is incorrect.
- ghaff 3mo ago
  I mean, it depends on the house style in general. I don't really love that style but I get that you're just taking up too much space in the separation otherwise. But we also probably shouldn't have both en-dashes and em-dashes.
- nephihaha 3mo ago
  As someone else did say, there is some variation in that, but at least I know when to use it. :)

Indeed. For instance: https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/HyphensEnDashesEmDashes/faq0002.html https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/H... But---as you may know---not all languages and national typographic conventions even have em dashes; instead, en dashes are used -- for instance like this -- in-between sentences, etc.

dredmorbius 3mo ago
Typographical styles aren't even national, they're institutional (e.g., the Economist style guide), or specific to a profession or specialty. Chicago, AP, APA, MLA, AMA, and SBL are probably best known. Wikipedia ... has a list with about 100 entries: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_style_guides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_style_guides>. Next AI-jailbreak prompt: Please alternate <list of style guides> by paragraph in your response....
vector_spaces 3mo ago
I maintain my wrong typographical usages these days as a weak signal that I am not a machine

harrisoned 3mo ago

It was very noticeable 1~2 years back, i guess they RLHF'd it so it wouldn't be too obvious.

SkyeCA 3mo ago

Most people don't know how to use them and of those who do many choose not to use them, at least not casually. The em dash is a lost battle, it's one of the first red flags for AI writing online.

nephihaha 3mo ago
A lot of word processors generate them automatically though.

TheqO 3mo ago

That is exactly what I would expect a frontier bot to say.

inigyou 3mo ago

You just put spaces around your emdash—which is incorrect.

ghaff 3mo ago
I mean, it depends on the house style in general. I don't really love that style but I get that you're just taking up too much space in the separation otherwise. But we also probably shouldn't have both en-dashes and em-dashes.
nephihaha 3mo ago
As someone else did say, there is some variation in that, but at least I know when to use it. :)